"History" lesson?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure those Deere videos are full of subliminal messages.

whew... I would of walked over and had a discussion with him. ask him how many 190's or DC's the guy has owned or operated. Case and Allis both made better tractors in the 40's than deere could make in the 50's.

guy probably learned everything from those john deere propaganda videos they put out. both my brothers really like them, so I just have to leave the house and get work done with my Allis's

Jd people will be jd people lol case sucks that must have been why they were able to aquire a huge tractor mogul like ih right and allis had the harvester market corned for almost the entire life of the all crop 

Nice win for us lol im glad my brothers only an ih fan they died same time we did so we dont get into arguments plus ih made alot of good stuff from ms and hs to the 1206 to my fav the 2 plus 2. His little f12 dont stand a chance against my wd any how

I got a actual Allis book to compare those from 1970 I believe, but its over at grandpas.

from what I've heard from grandpa and his brother from when they sold Allis tractors, a 4020 was as over priced then as it is now. and in field demos, 4020's couldn't hold a candle to a XT just the same as how a 3010 gas wouldn't run with granpdas D-17 Series III gas or how a 3020 diesel wouldn't run with his cousins 180 diesel

most of the problems were from the rear ends. especially in the XT diesels. too much power for the rear end. was pretty much fixed by the time the Series III's and 200's came out. im assuming your talking about a 265 and not a 301? ive never heard anything bad about a 301 gas

I really don't know what the motor was just that it was alot bigger then the d17 and the d17 ended up doing the work here. I always thought the motor mist have been a Lemon because I don't know of any other allis chalmers tractor serries that had motor problems. I just know he gor rid of the 190 and cursed that tractor for the rest of his life

Mike, no place to start an argument, especially in front of his son, nephew or whatever. Besides you really can't reason with someone who thinks he already has all the right answers.

But while we're on the subject of (revising) history did you ever notice John Deere's "New Generation" tractors officially started with the 4020. Deere guy never talk about the red headed step children that was the 10 series. For 3 years the 3010, 4010 and 5010 had plenty of teething problems. I've heard a story of a guy in our neighborhood who traded a 630 gas for a new 3010 gas he went to the field with the same plow he pulled with 630 and the next day he was back to the dealer wanting to trade back. LOL

Since I was around 6 years old back then my first hand information is a bit limited, but I was told the 10 series had cooling and other issues and some transmission problems too. I know my college roommates family had a 5010 that had two cylinder heads break before they got rid of it.

All I know for sure is I've heard over and over how the 4020 is the first modern farm tractor etc., but I've never heard the praises for a 4010.   

Grandpa was a ford man dad a john deere man even though he almost always had fords. I found Allis myself and glade to do so even though I like the blue and red ones two but don't hold it agents me lol. The jd people there selfs what drove me away from them to overpowering. My father n law is pure jd won't have anything that's not green but he got some silly ideas about a lot of stuff lol. Example he will bushhog his clover down before it blooms if he not ready to cut it for hay bc he said it it blooms it will die.

maybe because the other equipment companies don't hafta sell crackers to keep them going! saw a box of jd crackers on a grocery store shelf one day! maybe they should have?

I sometimes wonder if the tractor companies where victims if there own success.   I think about the period from the 30s to the 70s and the fact that they where always building better tractors.   My grandfather traded alot of tractors over the years because the new one would do something he needed or it had live power or a 3 point hitch you name it that was a lifetime of changes. Now atleast around New England there really isn't alot of need for more then 100hp a good tractor from the 70s will make your big tractor and I honestly feel the older D serries make great haying tractors.   So from a business perspective the tractor companies where growing like crazy selling new tractors through improvement based demand but once they got the tractors from the 70s there where not really big improvement to be made every few years. Yes my 5240 is nicer to ride in then the older IH 986 (i might have the number wrong there) we had when I was growing up but both of them would do the same field work. I always wondered if the demand for tractors dropped simply because there where enough good ones out there. I know there where more small farmers before and that there are less farmers now. I just wonder about the technology side because as I sit here typing this on my smart phone which is 4 years old I think there is a lesson to be learned by other companies.   Once things get about soo good you really don't need them better.

I ab see big equipment out west where you have flat fields. Here on the east coast the field are just too small. We had a 160 hp tractor with a big chopper and dump wagon and you had to be really careful not to get stuck in a corner you couldn't get out of. A 4 or 5 bottom plow is just really big when your total acreage is 100 to 200. And it is all hills and falling a river.

30 years from now, you'll have seen a lot of broke farmers giving in to corporate so called farmers! a lot of them now! Monsanto will probably buy the equipment and hire someone to service the equipment as they won't need drivers, all be done by puters hooked up to the satelites!

30 years from now I will be fixing the magneto on my 1948 C, again!

The last gen of the JD 2cyl diesels were very good on fuel economy.
The 830 made more HP-hours per pound of diesel than the JD4020, Allis 190 also better than the Allis 6080. So the perception they were
antiques may not be entirely accurate.

If you look around, you see a lot more 60 year old orange tractors still workin' in the fields and on the farms than green ones. The 60 year old greens are all shined up and sittin' in shows or collector's buildings.