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    Posted: 25 May 2015 at 12:07pm
Hi there,
I am the proud new owner of a 912H. It currently does not run but is in damn good condition considering I only paid $250. It needs an ignition switch and battery, as well as a few other small parts.
Problem is, I can't seem to find out exactly which ignition switch I need. If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd be very thankful!
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Stens part # 430-249

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Thanks! Ordered it from Amazon for $10.

Just one more question (so far) lol, I'm having some trouble figuring out what battery to buy. I know the service manual, etc call for a 12V 45AH battery, I'm seeing a ton of 12V 35AH but no 45s. Does it matter?
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I have been using lawn and garden batteries with no problems.You can pick one up at any parts house, tractor supply etc. The last one i bought was $30 to $35 and was around 280 cranking amps. Just note which side of the battery you want the hot side on. The models with the R behind it has the + and - reversed. They come with square post on them so i have changed battery cables to match. You could also by the adapters that make a square terminal to a round post.
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Ok cool. Sounds perfect. Mine has the circle adapters. Do by any chance know the deck belt number? Haven't gotten that far yet, but may as well ask while we're at it.
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Here is what is listed on the decal under the hood. You could probably cross reference them to another belt.
I can check my list of belts when i get back later.
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Oh yeah! Totally forgot that list was under there.
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What size is your deck? 
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It's a 48" Deck
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Anyone know the part number for the air filter? I found some Kohler ones, just want to make sure. Thanks!
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Albow, 
the belt number at Stens site is this: 248-093 1/2 x 93" .
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Air filter and pre cleaner is this if you have a Kohler 12 hp engine:                                  100-040 Use with 100-750 Pre-Filter
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This is Stens brand. 
This is what I have on my 12 hp Kohler. 
I even went out and measured it to be sure. 
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Awesome. Thanks very much. I actually found the air filter after I posted. Now, another newb question...
What is the easiest way to change and flush the oil? It's been sitting around for over a year and I would like to flush everything once I get it started.
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someone before you must have added that 48" deck,i think 912's all came with the 42" deck according to original brochures,the 48" was started with the 916,along with wider rear rims and tires.
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Hmmmm...hopefully I don't have any trouble hooking it up and cutting some grass.
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if you have a 42" deck, the belt number is 248-084 
It's 1/2 x 84. 
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I have a 712 S and a 914 Hydro. Both had 42" decks. 
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It's definitely a 48" deck. I really wanted a 712 Hydro, that's what my father had when I was a boy. Settled for the 912 for now. Hopefully I can find a 712H and sell this one at some point. Would love to fully restore 712, top to bottom.
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Irlbeck:
Thanks for posting your decal pic as my hood didn't have that under it. 
So, I just copied it to a pic and saved it to look up the numbers on Sten's site and then go look up my price in their catalog. 
Much appreciated! 
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Well Irlbeck, 
I stand corrected. It's there on my 914 Hydro with the top numbers missing, but it says at the top of the decal "For 7100 Series".
The decal is not under the hood on my 712S.
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Ok, so after installing a new switch, new battery, cables and spark plug...she didn't make a squeak with the key. Traced all connections with a voltameter and discovered no power coming from the starter solenoid. The motor turns when jumped straight from the battery. Would a universal 3 pole solenoid work? I haven't seen anything that resembles the one I took out, at least not new.
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You're welcome Jim. Glad to help.

Do you have power to the lights or elsewhere?
You may want to check the circuit breaker or the connections on the breaker. Looking from the front of the tractor, It is a small rectangle box mounted on the wall below and to the left of the solenoid. It will have 2 wires coming out of it.


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Didn't seem to have power to anything
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Sure sounds like it could be the circuit breaker. I have had them go bad or the post corrode off. The wire usually has a sleeve type connector that pushes on the threaded post. You can loose connection there as well. Some folks will cut the sleeve off and put a connector on the end and tighten it with a nut on the post.
The last breaker I bought was at oreillys auto. It was around $3 but the thing i liked was that is was built here in the USA by Littelfuse. Can't buy many things that are built here anymore.
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Ok, cool. I'll check it out. I think I may just end up rewiring everything just to be sure. Anyone have a part numbers from Stens for the solenoid?
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Yeah you are right there Craig ma' man! Its gettin' tougher and tougher. We handle a lot of electrical components from Littlefuse mainly because its USA made. So far we've been dartin' that Chinese crap! As Craig mentioned, all power comes in through the circuit breaker from the Battery. The wiring around the engine area gets so brittle from the heat, that you may have a break somewhere, or like Craig said, corrosion is a big factor on these old Garden Tractors, especially if they were left out in the rain during their life span...

To add to the Battery question, I use the small Gell Batteries where you don't have to worry so much about the acid removing the paint off your Tractor especially after putting a nice paint job on them. The group number is a U1 which is used for wheelchairs & recreational equipment. You can pick em' up at Napa to. Their P/N is 8228 I believe.

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I typed in Simplicity solenoid on their site and this is what came up:

435-435 , 435-099 , 435-032 

It didn't bring up anything when I typed in Allis Chalmers solenoid. 

here's their main site: www.stens.com 

LINK: http://www.stens.com/Portal.aspx?CN=637179B36C57&SEARCH=Simplicity%20solenoid&GCONTENTID=DBC825CBB3E6&RND=42789327003993094
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Thanks guys! From what I'm reading, any 3 pole solenoid should work. Steve, I can't find anything that looks similar to the breaker in my tractor. I'll post pics of what's in there as soon as I figure out how lol.
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Here is where the circuit breaker is located.



Here is a picture of the circuit breaker. One of the post had corroded off.

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