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    Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 11:53pm
I will be overhauling the engine and installing a 220 fuel pump. What would be a good turbo and injectors be for this. I plan on still doing work with the tractor and maybe making a few hooks on a sled in a year. Any suggestions?
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7080 injector tips set at 2800 psi would be a no-brainer.
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Oh, where do we begin? Fire ring it of course, I have wire rings that are a drop on. No machining required. Then, as Dr Allis pointed out, the nozzles should be rebuilt using the 7080 tip. Then the pump, that's where we get into the fun part. Just putting a 220 used pump wont do much, but it gives me, the pump rebuilder a really great place to start. The stock D21 pump can be rebuilt and modified to give over 200hp. pm me for more details. 
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If you are gong to put that kind of power through a D21 in the field, your bull gears will probably give way.
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The newer # inner axle bearing races with square shoulders will solve the bull gear problems.
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Big Orange, you got those numbers?
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70253375 for the inner axle cup.......70238961 for the snap ring that holds it. Bull gear width was still substandard compared to a 210-220 and there's not much you can do about that. Keep overall weight down and limit HP output thru the driveline. And then there'll be some knucklehead that will claim he puts 220 HP thru a D-21 all the time.....yeah, I've heard it all before and also seen the results of that.
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Thanks Dr.Allis, for the numbers.
 "And then there'll be some knucklehead that will claim he puts 220 HP thru a D-21 all the time.....yeah, I've heard it all before and also seen the results of that." Know of one that dynoed 180HP...and  the story went like this... Old man farmed a majority of his life with Allis tractors and had done good. the old man's daughter grew up and married a farm boy that worked for his father...  Old man decided that he needed to slow down a little bit and made a deal with S-I-L . So he moved to town and would go out to the farm. S-I-L now bought big green tractors... Old man wanted one of comparable size but not green. LOL so he bought this D-21 with an honest 180HP in it. S-I-L hated it except one day he had to disc down some setaside and didn't want to abuse his green machines and plug up the screens with the bloom and pollination, So he took the D21 to disc with, every pass would overheat and the guy would wipe the grill and pour water in on 70 acres.  Fall came and the old man went around and checked every tractor except the D-21 because it had checked good when he bought it, He didn't know that the S-I-L had added water to it. cracked the block externally so next spring they fiberbonded the crack and it didn't leak so...S-I-L figured his JD's were to good to put on the manure pit agitator/pump. Ran it for three days straight agitating and then pumping. Fall came and the S-I-L drained the radiator... and forgot about the block drains... Well the old man went to move it and found water in oil pan. That was the last it ran. They pushed it to the side and left it. Old man died that winter and in the spring the SIL decided he didn't want or need the 21 anymore and sold it, cuz it was just a piece of junk.  It has sat for 35 years since waiting for an engine to be put in it .
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Not sure what the point is, other than that tractor doesn't have 8 or 10,000 hrs of use on it.
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Doc, I just asked for the numbers so I could store them away for another day, just incase someone gets into the guts of one and could use the info and make it a bit better.....  
 And as for the one above, that is true it doesn't have the umpteen hours on it, but the engine is junk just the same... 
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