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d21 vs 7030
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    Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 7:01am
Was wondering what would be a beter tractor for hot farm/farm stock a d21 or 7030. what u all think
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D 21. A lot lighter tractor to start with. Put a D 17 narrow front on mine and can pull in 8 or 9. And have another can pull 9 and up.
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Farm stock, a 7030 would work. Anything above that, go with a D21/210/220. With the d21 being the lightest. Although we had my 210 down to 8000 with a roll bar and some moveable weight.
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I don't won't to get to hot that I can't plow with it in the spring.it would be easier to find a 7030 cheap right
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Yes, a 7030 can be had for much less money. The plus side is you'd get a 2 speed shift on the go, for mild pulling is a real benefit. It will take some mods to make it last. A lot of power can be extracted from a 7030! lol!
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That what I was thinking 2 speeds r nice
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How hot could you get a bone stock 7030/without changing injectors and lines
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I would like to know the answer to that to
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225 hp would be about it. You can't just turn up a pump and not do anything with the injectors. If I were to rework the injectors, putting in 7080 nozzle tips, then 250-275 could happen. Could get to around 300 or slightly more if I could change the pump head to a .310. Then if you want big power, but still require a roosa, I have a custom designed adapter to put the older style DB/DC pumps on the 7000 series front plate. This allows putting on a .450 DB pump with no machining. Now, at that level, bigger lines are required, as well as EDM work on the nozzles. A different turbo is a must as well. 3LM466, or an S300 is a nice match. By the time you get the fuel and air system all set up, expect a little over $5K The potential is there for over 500hp.
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our pulling club is trying to start an antique blower class 10 mph 354cubes 5000lb how much can I get out of the 301 in my 17 I have the pump injectors and turbo off a 7000 laying here. have to use a rotary pump.
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I know a guy who put a narrow front on a 7020 to drop weight. "Looks awesome"!
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Matt B:

Enough power to turn everything behind the flywheel into dust depending on which rotary pump, injectors, and turbo you use. You might get away with it for a while if you can run direct drive in the transmission.

That would be an awesome class for a 301, just put it in a driveline that will put up with the abuse. A 180 or an older 190 could make 5000 lbs. Don't eat a big breakfast on the morning of the pull.
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Originally posted by mattb mattb wrote:

our pulling club is trying to start an antique blower class 10 mph 354cubes 5000lb how much can I get out of the 301 in my 17 I have the pump injectors and turbo off a 7000 laying here. have to use a rotary pump.

The 7000 pump will not be much help for building a puller. What is your 301 out of? Does it have the DM or DB pump on it already? The 7000 turbo may not be a bad thing though. 10mph rule will help you from having to have gobs of power to be competitive. 
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my 301 has a simms inline pump on it now but I hear its gotta be a rotary pump. its a purple 301 truck engine im gonna get my parts rounded up tonight and check to see what I really have thanks
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ok, so a simms used the same mounting flange pattern as the DM. The 7000 pump could be built up to get some pretty good performance, but depending upon what you need, the .450 DB adapted on would be the most power potential for you. It all depends on needs, and wants, and mostly Budget!
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