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Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 7:57am |
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HI, I'm Restoring a 611Ltd and having trouble with the pulley for the clutch belt idler Simplicity Part #168515SM pulley not sure witch way the mounting bracket goes on so pulley will not hit side frame. I tried different ways but can not get it to work. I just have the parts Diagram. May pulley has a O.D of 4". Dose anyone have a service manual for a 611LTD 5 Speed??? Any ideas on what is wrong.
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Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 6:12pm |
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does it have any thing to do with or possibly the wrong belt ?
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Posted: 19 Jan 2015 at 8:10pm |
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It could be but in number crossed over to this one. Checked it with the old belt it was a little shorter. I was thinking of the pulley to big I can not find the old pulley it must of got thrown out when I cleaned up some. I have been looking for a service manual online or if someone can copy the pages for clutch adjustment
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Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 5:17pm |
Rod, Here is Page 23 from my 611LTD Operator's Manual. Is the clutch idler you are asking about covered in Figure 23? Hope this helps. Let me know if you need anything else. Rick M. 
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Posted: 20 Jan 2015 at 9:24pm |
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Rick M, Yes that is the pulley I was talking about. When I step the clutch down it will hit the frame the pulley size is 4". Also the clutch rod spring gap is more then what the book calls for.
When I started restoring it I took picture of everything I forgot to take picture of under the tractor I was not thinking .
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Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 10:07am |
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Rod, With the clutch rod spring gap adjusted according to the book does the pulley still hit the frame? If so, let me know and I will measure the pulley on mine to see what diameter it is and also try to get a picture from underneath. I have the snow blower on mine now so it may be difficult to get a picture but I will give it a try. Rick
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Posted: 21 Jan 2015 at 2:02pm |
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Rick M, Yes with the clutch rod adjusted the pulley hit's the frame. The belt should be 90" long so I was going to take it out and check the Length of the belt the pulley is 4" in diameter
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Posted: 22 Jan 2015 at 12:54pm |
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Rod, The pulley on mine is 4" diameter also. So I agree, the problem on yours may be the belt.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2015 at 1:48pm |
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Rick, Thanks for checking. I will try a shorter belt
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Posted: 25 Jan 2015 at 12:41pm |
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Rick.. Could I have the brake rod and clutch rod switched around Just Thinking Book dose not say how long each rod in? Thanks
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Posted: 26 Jan 2015 at 12:17pm |
Rod, I took another look at the brake and clutch rods on my 611LTD. Both rods appear to be about the same length. The main difference I see is that the brake rod on mine has a slight bend in it to clear a bracket from the fender / frame to the transaxle. So it may be possible that you have your brake and clutch rods switched around. Here are a couple pic's of mine. See the small arrows and notes showing where the brake rod is bent.  
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Posted: 26 Jan 2015 at 7:46pm |
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Rick... I went out and looked at mine it all looks like yours. Looks like your pulley sets more to the center of the tractor. My brake and clutch rods are the same as yours. I going to try a longer belt then my pulley will over away from the frame. On the clutch rod slides through a sleeve is the long end towards the rear of tractor?
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Posted: 27 Jan 2015 at 6:55pm |
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Posted: 27 Jan 2015 at 8:24pm |
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Rick...That is what I was looking for. I have the spring on backwards. I will switch it and maybe try a longer belt so my pulley will more towards the center of tractor like in yours.
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