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    Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 8:44am
I have seen 5 different tractors, 4 original, one restored like this. (the restored one had pictures of the day they got it new for proof it was done right). A man who lives near by has one which I have seen up close.It is gas and all original except for the Freeman Allis loader. They have white rims, white boxed decals and white grill screens. The Decal on the tank says WD45.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CTuckerNWIL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 9:01am
Your avitar looks like an original WD45. I can't say for sure about the rims because I can't see them very well. If you've seen 5 tractors with white rims I'd say they were all  repainted years ago.



Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 24 Jan 2010 at 9:03am
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I'm not talking about mine. I'm talking about the vid. They are "Cream" white
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CTuckerNWIL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 9:26am
If you saw cream rims they are repaints or D17 rims. I looked at the video.

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I don't think anything came with cream wheels until the D series.
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Isn't funny how people make organic farming out to be something new and improved.
 
Allis Chalmers did not start paint rims cream until 1960 with the D17, at that time they also switched to persion orange #2.


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The white boxed decal contained the triangular A-C logo which did not come out until the mid 60's.
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It's interesting a guy I know has a very lte model WD45D and the rear centres are cream as well and it doesn't look like there was ever any orange ever on them.
 
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All the WD45's and the D-14's The ser one D17's where all orange.
Here is a pic.
This WD45 is ser@ 236XXX it is one of the last 900 WD45s
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I was told by an old timer that at the end of the WD45 production they were using all of the left over parts to finish the assembly of them. Was told near the very end if there was a WD block there they used it, straight shifter tranny they used it. Maybe they didn't have any rims for the very end and used D series rims to finish up with?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CTuckerNWIL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jan 2010 at 8:10am
Todd, so how did they come up with series II D 17 rear rims while finishing up production of the 45's?
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Not trying to be a smart @ss but did anyone ever think that parts can be replaced? We do it all the time dont we?
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Im an old timer, too and Ill tell you like the others. no cream white until 1960. SOME of the dealers put on cream white wheels when they repainted a trade in to make it look more modern and "current"
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Sorry to offend but I do not believe the thing about WD transmissions being put on WD45s going down the assembly line.  Why would AC want to hurt their name like that?
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The story's about WD trans going in the WD45's is haft true the last runs of the late 1952 into the first 1953 WD's had a mix of trans in them. But not the WD45s. Boy will this start something. LOL

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A guy up the road has a late WD with a curved shifter and a distributor mount like a WD-45 if I remember right he said it was one of the last WDs acording to the serial #

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We would change the paint color on nice WD45s to PO #2 with cream wheels as it dressed em up a little more for selling.    Im sure the tractor in the vid is a repaint, as far as the decals, Ive seen 45s with the same decals, you couldnt buy the correct decal for the hood since the late 70s from AC, so some guys just used whatever.    HTH

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I have a late WD (serial #144707) and it's got a WD engine block but a distributer instead of a mag, and a WD45 tranny (curved shifter and tapered gears)
I was told that was pretty much the norm in 1953 during the transition from WD to the WD45 with the "power crater" engine and tapered tranny gears

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Late WDs with curved geer shift levers and WD45s with straight geer shift levers are two different animals.
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I was told it was common practice for farmers and and dealers to repaint older tractors with PO2 and cream wheels to "match" the newer models. I've seen many Bs, Cs, CAs, WCs, WDs, WD45s and early D17s painted bright orange with cream or white wheels. I recently saw a WD45 with flat top fenders, chasis painted black, wheels painted silver and the sheetmetal I'd guess was corporate orange. I would have preferred the original fenders but I will say it looked sharp!
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According to  Allis WD Parts Catalog the transmission straight shift lever ended and the curved shift lever started around Serial 127003 in early 1953,before the start of WD45 production around serial 146XXX.
 
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My brother bought a WD, (end of season) and it had a 45 engine in it.  His dealer told him that they had used up all the WD engines.
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Depending on when someone repainted a tractor they may have had limited options.  The series II D17 I have my dad repainted 25 years ago using series IV paint scheme and badges because at the time that was all you could get.
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Originally posted by Denis in MI Denis in MI wrote:

A guy up the road has a late WD with a curved shifter and a distributor mount like a WD-45 if I remember right he said it was one of the last WDs acording to the serial #

I had a '53 WD with the curved shift lever. I sold it at auction in Aug of '65 at Charlotte MI. I don't know where it went. I've often wondered if it's still around. Could it be this one?

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Whoa Whoa!  I know that tractor in the video - because I'm the dude driving it!
 
The paint, the rim color, and the decals are NOT original.  It has been repainted and was brought into middle Tennessee from Indiana about 20 years ago.  All the discussion about "dressing them up" to look more modern definitely applies to this tractor.  The guy we bought it from painted the wheels white himself.
 
However, the one trait I have witnessed is a WD45 not far from where the one in the video was bought.  A WD45 bought new at Smithville, TN in 1957 after the D17's were on the lot.  That WD45 has the in-hood "dashboard" like a WD45 diesel, but was a gas burner and has the short hood of a gas burner. Factory power steering, hinged seat, all the possible goodies a WD45 could have.  The orginal owner still has it and can verify it was one of the "last" WD45's built and was discounted due to the appearance of the D17 (which is why he bought it).  All orange paint, no white wheels.  The in-hood dash is what he claims to be the sure sign of the last WD45's ever sent out.  I've tried numerous times to buy that tractor, because its one of the finest looking WD45's I've ever seen.  That tractor will no doubt not be sold out of his family.


Edited by Hudsonator - 28 Jan 2010 at 8:47am
There isn't much a WC can't do.

WD's just do it better.
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Here's a still picture of the tractor in the video.  The white decal on the gas tank is a dealer decal - but I can't remember what it says (kinda faded).  The pilot is the young man who actually owns the tractor.  I helped the young man find it and he is learning how to use it on my place.  He's my daughter's fiancee', so he'd dang well better learn the AC way of doing things.
 
Organic farming is a rediscovery of the right way to do things, and the practical equipment that made it possible.


Edited by Hudsonator - 28 Jan 2010 at 9:14am
There isn't much a WC can't do.

WD's just do it better.
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A thought just occured to me. Wern't the Canadian 45's painted with cream rims?
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Could you get a picture of the inhood dash 45?
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D-15 was the very first unit painted PO#2 and cream and others soon followed, that is pretty well documented. Adding to what Skip said I remember our dealer painting every 14, 17, WD or 45 that got traded in with PO#2 and cream wheels. At the very least they painted the rear wheels and front rims with cream. We have an 55 WD-45D with a very old PO1 and cream paint job and if a person didnt know better he'd swear the cream wheels were original.
 
 
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I find it hard to believe the in-hood dash but who knows. I'm pretty sure the hinged seat is from an aftermarket company. I don't think AC ever produced it but I don't have a parts catalog to look it up.
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