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StewartMD ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 Dec 2009 Location: Emmitsburg, MD Points: 314 |
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blrott ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Apr 2012 Location: neenah wi Points: 38 |
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do you have more pictures. where are you located. any other problems. what are you asking for the dozer. thanks. bruce. 920-642-0277.
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Ages Cat ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hutchinson, MN Points: 681 |
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I own and HD3-1968 vintage and have removed and installed clutches and final drive bearings and seals. The steering clutches are removed though two openings under the seat. They can be lifted out with the brake bands as a sling. My first advise is buy a service manual if you intend to buy the tractor and do it your self. The clutches had a mod which the 5/16 through bolts were replaced with 3/8 bolts, a must do. The output shaft which the sprocket bolts to gets a special double seal installed and looking at the position of the sprocket, the 90W grease has probably drained away already. They are a great little tractor if everything is working. Be prepared to spend some time and money on it if you want it working correctly.
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LoggerLee ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Location: Lewiston ID Points: 118 |
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Yeah, probably blasted final drives, might get lucky and just need bearings, or maybe not (Dun dun DUUUNNNN!!!)
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22816 |
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I'd guess the final has a bearing problem or the casting is junk. Looks like the sprocket is gone so maybe pins and bushings also. Could very easily get expen$ive.
I wish I had something like that right now for a month or 2 but don't need one to WORK on. |
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StewartMD ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 Dec 2009 Location: Emmitsburg, MD Points: 314 |
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Bruce, If I don't purchase this machine I will be glad to send you the pics that I've taken and the sellers contact information.
I am going to go ahead and purchase a service manual. It would be a cheap investment even if I end up not buying this one. Thanks for the information about the mod in the clutches.
I guess my biggest concern is if more than just a bearing is bad, if the casting or shaft is shot, it could get expensive.
Does anyone have an idea what price a dozer in this condition is worth?
Thanks again for the replies. I appreciate it.
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41272 |
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That sprocket out of line is almost a common problem as the axle runs on two timken bearings .. My HD4 has a problem with race working loose in the case then eating into case. I might just be the outboard bearing is shot but bet on case needing work also . Cost me about $500 to have case machined to put in a new welded in steel piece machined to take the timken cup for the axle bearing .
If it has not been run to long the bull gear might be OK but they have a tendency to chew up bull gear and the upper drive gear that is on the clutch shaft. If those gears are gone your looking at big money. The pre-load on the axle bearings is set by shimming the inboard bearing on axle shaft which is a small timken bearing. On my HD4 on doing work I replaced axle shafts about 4 times and found not only was the case i fixed the only one but the other side had also been machined from that bearing going bad at another time.
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41272 |
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Looking at you track picture the bearing is bad on that side and there is a surprise inside that case , to fix you have to remove track and sprocket , remove lower case pan , remove cup over inboard bearing , remove snap rings , pull axle through bull gear and drop assembly out though bottom of case , also remove clutch and pull the drive gear on top to check for chipped and broken teeth on it.
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Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something.
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StewartMD ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 Dec 2009 Location: Emmitsburg, MD Points: 314 |
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Coke, Thanks for the reply. Sounds like to fix this it could get costly for parts. Luckily I could do the work myself but sounds like quite a bit of time involved, especially since i've never been into a dozer before. I'm concerned that the case might need work. And unfortunately, it's hard to say if it has little damage or if a ton of expensive work will need to be done.
I ordered a service manual today, but unless I could get this thing dirt cheap, i'm beginning to think I should walk away and find another.
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41272 |
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What they do is align the case on a mill, bore the old race out to a size to take a new slug of metal that has a new seal gland on one side and race bore for the timken cup to fit into . This has to be aligned with the outboard race.
I was thinking of trying it myself but had a truck transmission re-builder I snow plowed for give me a good price and said they had dome many on the 4 and other machines . In fact on my Fiat-Allis FD5 I also had to have this done as one side had been run with a bad bearing and damaging the case . Its a common problem with machines with just a 2 point bearing support.
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StewartMD ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 Dec 2009 Location: Emmitsburg, MD Points: 314 |
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Sounds complicated and pricey. I'm not sure what a shop would charge to have this done around here. I never knew that this was a common problem on 2 point bearing machines, but it does make sense.
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