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    Posted: 12 Mar 2012 at 8:28am
I am working on getting my AC stationary powerplant up and running. I thought it was a model B engine, but the number in the block is CR46664GA.....is this a CA engine designed for gasoline?? Also I thought someone had a chart made that you could identify the year of the engine off this number.....
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Here is a link to Bryan Smiths website:
 
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From Bryans B / C / CA  Serial number list your engine appears to be a 1945.
 
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So was a correct in assuming it is a gas burning CA engine?

Gary, thanks for the link
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Well, by Bryan's site it looks to be a 1945 C engine
Thanks again for the link
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Hey Don,  What are you going to run with it?
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My air compressor. Tired of tieing up a tractor when I want to sandblast so I am going to switch it over and run it with the C engine
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I was thinking along that line.  I was also thinking maybe belt a generator to it somehow?
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Originally posted by john(MI) john(MI) wrote:

I was thinking along that line.  I was also thinking maybe belt a generator to it somehow?
Could.
If you were camping you could belt a BIG alternator to it and use a DC power set-up type of thing. Thats what we do with our pop-up when attending tractor shows. Pop-up plugs into 2 deep cycle batteries that are in a box I built. We have a 10SI alternator belted to a 5HP Briggs....which is attaced to an old lawn edger. When the batteries get low just fir up the "law edger" and charge up the batteries.
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Don, Early B's had the BE engine. Later B's and all C's and CA's had a CE engine. I think the CR had something a little different for the power units used on combines and as portable power units. Seems the CR might have been used in the RC but I might be mistaken.
 I'm sure there will be somebody jump in with more or better information.
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The CR is for power units and I don't know of any serial # list to find out what year it is.
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we also have a engine that was a combine power unit and it also has the CR prefix.
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My 1941 C has an engine with a serial # R 16312 G.  I don't know where that came from either.  As far as I was told, there is no way to find out.
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I think the R prefix can be either an RC motor or a power unit.
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I think the R engine was used on the RC tractor and the CR engine was a Power Unit engine used on combines and balers. The ones used on combines had a shorter spring on the govenor, and run at 1900 RPM. These have a gear box on the Rockford clutch housing. I bought one with a straight shaft coming out of a Rockford clutch unit, also fitted for a starter. and it had the standard tractor spring on the govenor. Bob
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on page 4 of my Parts Manual AC-P-B-C under the heading
Engines
CR- Prefixed number (3 3/8" bore, 1900 r.p.m. ) used in :
60H Gasoline Power Unit PU53977-B and up
60H Low octane Fuel Power Unit PU-55480-B and up
There must be a power unit serial number somewhere on your unit
Also noted is R prefix engines were used in 60H Gas power units prior to PU-53977-B
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Thanks Ken
Maybe there is a tag on the clutch housing, I guess I never looked. The rad shroud has a CA decal on it, but I guess that dont mean anything
There is no gearbox on my clutch housing, straight shaft.
My enigne came from a sawmill
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Also, I need a starter. The ring gear is on the flywheel, but it was set up as a hand crank as there is a plug in the starter hole and I want to change that. Will a B starter work?
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