Fading Orange

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   Hello. I am a new member as of today. Thanks for letting me join. I needed a place to vent after hearing about our pals at AGCO announcing that the orange tractor would soon be history. I realize that the orange color is the only thing connecting these tractors to the old Allis-Chalmers of yesteryear, but it gave us something current to link us to the past.I did send 2 nasty emails to AGCO and at first recieved the canned responses that they have been sending to everybody and figured that was it. Then the other day a rep from AGCO called me and wanted to talk and try to convince me that it has to be done, which I think is B.S.  Anyway, he said that they have been getting a lot of feedback from the Allis faithful and that is being mentiond to the higher ups. I doubt it will change their minds but we need to go down swinging. He also says the Gleaner name isn't going away and that they actually have big plans in the works for the R series. Time will tell on that subject.  

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AllisFreak MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1550	Post Options Post Reply Quote AllisFreak MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Fading Orange Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 11:59am
	Hello. I am a new member as of today. Thanks for letting me join. I needed a place to vent after hearing about our pals at AGCO announcing that the orange tractor would soon be history. I realize that the orange color is the only thing connecting these tractors to the old Allis-Chalmers of yesteryear, but it gave us something current to link us to the past.I did send 2 nasty emails to AGCO and at first recieved the canned responses that they have been sending to everybody and figured that was it. Then the other day a rep from AGCO called me and wanted to talk and try to convince me that it has to be done, which I think is B.S. Anyway, he said that they have been getting a lot of feedback from the Allis faithful and that is being mentiond to the higher ups. I doubt it will change their minds but we need to go down swinging. He also says the Gleaner name isn't going away and that they actually have big plans in the works for the R series. Time will tell on that subject.
	'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2

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Jeff Z. NY Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Points: 7326	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jeff Z. NY Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 12:07pm
	Allis Chalmers died 24 years ago. Let it RIP. AGCO is not Allis Chalmers. It's just a name.

Greg (Hillsboro, OH) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Hillsboro, OH Points: 1182	Post Options Post Reply Quote Greg (Hillsboro, OH) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 12:07pm
	I'm not the one to write it, but I think that someone should write a letter to AGCO in which they list all of the innovations and 'firsts' that came to farm equipment courtesy of the Allis tractors. They've selected the orange to go away, but it seems that orange had more to do with innovation and modernization of farming, than has Red or other colors. I've seen a list on here of all of the 'firsts' that A/C made. I'd love to see it again, and I think that AGCO needs to see it and understand why orange has a place in the future too.

AllisFreak MN Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1550	Post Options Post Reply Quote AllisFreak MN Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 2:04pm
	They were ahead of their time.
	'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2

Byron WC in SW Wi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635	Post Options Post Reply Quote Byron WC in SW Wi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 2:50pm
	Welcome to the forum. Great place here with great guys and gals. I'm as ticked as anyone. I think Allis died when AGCO got their current CEO and some of the old Allis employees that started AGCO died in a plane crash. Whoever thinks Allis died in the 80's never talked to some of the early AGCO employees cause they were all old allis people. Yes the 8000 and 6000 series died which was dumb for Deutz to do but they wouldn't be alive now anyway even if AC continued on. Either way, I'm either going CNH or Kubota now. CNH gave me a good starting price I just gotta think on it now. I've bought a lot of AGCO equipment, including my Sunflower no-till drill, because of Allis Chalmers and now I feel betrayed so I'm gone. BTW - I have yet to here a reason for getting rid of AGCO orange tractors that doesn't contradict Challenger, what they do for country of Brazil and now for China. They will be small time in the US in the future.

Ken(MI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Lansing, MI Points: 619	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ken(MI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 3:00pm
	I agree with the above, but it's strictly business, just like when General Motors decided to drop Oldsmobile because it had a stodgy image, at the time they had the Aurora, Intrigue, and Alero, and their engine was doing well at Indy, but the boys in Detroit said, dump it, and let's keep Buick, now talk about a stodgy image, what comes to mind when you think Buick?? The GS? Maybe, but more than likely, it will be a brown turd that your great Aunt drove faithfully for fifteen years. The real reason is profitability and marketability, I love my Allis tractors, but like it or not, Massey has a larger presence around the globe, and contrary to some opinions on here, they were not junk. Let's keep the Allis name alive for what it is, and let AGCO go their own way, ultimately, that's what is going to happen anyway.

redline Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Collins, IA Points: 1013	Post Options Post Reply Quote redline Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 3:17pm
	If Agco is going to insist that all of us die-hard orange fans switch brands, I guess we will. But, I can assure you that many, if not most, of us will switch to a non Agco brand. I will be hoping to find a company that values loyalty, and doesn't insist on yanking their customers around any old time they feel like it. Remember: The customer is always right. If you don't understand that, all you have are EX customers. I don't have any love for Massey. The cat dealers that handle Challenger are too huge generally, and don't convey the message that they give a rip about my business.
	If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done!

Spud Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: North Dakota Points: 601	Post Options Post Reply Quote Spud Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 9:57pm
	A company that values loyalty? Will that be Fiat that dropped there own colors for Ford or Case that dropped their own colors for IH? The other companies aren't any better is what I am trying to say.

redline Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Collins, IA Points: 1013	Post Options Post Reply Quote redline Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 10:38pm
	as much as I hate the idea, I guess that leaves Deere. Uggghh. I don't think I can stomach that. Gotta weigh my options I guess. I no longer feel the need to be loyal to Agco. I am still going to collect and enjoy my Allis Chalmers stuff, but my newer stuff isn't necessarily going to be MF red or Challenger yeller. I don't care for Richenhagen and crew bullying me around. Kinda sticks in my craw. Tenneco made the decision for Case tractors to be painted red. Mainly due to loyal IHC customers raising a fuss. I am sure the J.I. Case followers weren't pleased either. But Case didn't lose their name entirely.
	If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done!

John_SWPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Location: Burgettstown,PA Points: 148	Post Options Post Reply Quote John_SWPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2009 at 11:02pm
	I think the reason why Jerome's tractors took on the IH paint was that in about 1983 or 84, the paint contained lead, so they switched to black and white paint, instead of red or orange-ish red(not sure the offical color name for the case machines). Then, the whole aquisition of IH happened and the first Case tractors were painted red again (but this time, a new shade of corporate red) As for Ford tractors... First, Ford aquired New Holland equipment line, since most of their implements were already being made by other companies (such as Gehl, and New Idea) and ust slapped with blue paint. That was mid 1980's I think. Then, Billy Ford Sr., the demon spawn of the Ford family who has no ties to Ford tractor heritage, nor cared about his Great Grandfather's farming past, decided to sell Ford New Holland to Fiat. Fiat wanted to keep the color, and the Ford name. The Ford name is huge in Eastern Europe, when it comes to tractors. So, Billy Ford let them have the name "Ford" for a transitional period from about 1990 until 2000, at which time, nothing was allowed to say "Ford" on it anymore. So, in a way, Billy Ford Sr. was the one who prevented Fiat from carrying the Ford name. Instead, Fiat used the New Holland name, and kept the colors of the New Holland equip and Ford tractors, but everything beared the New Holland name. The entire time, Fiat has produced their own tractors, which are, identical to the New Holland machines, but painted red. (nt sure if they recently stopped doing this, I have been slightly out of the loop on this stuff) Now, as for the merger between Fiat Group(New Holland) and Case IH... I didn't get any details on that. I do know that it was a merger and not an aquisition. It also happened in 1999, before the official end of the "Ford" named tractors. If you go to buy new parts for either a red or blue tractor, the parts packaging now says, "Fiat Group" on it somewhere, so I am going to say that in time, there might be some sort of switch where all the red adn blue tractors will someday say "Fiat" on them again. It will just be a matter of time before the company execs decide to put their name on the brand. They said when the nerger happened that they didn't want to upset any customers by removing either the red, nor blue tractors, but if you give it enough time, and the wrong owner, it will happen someday(and probably soon) Always been a running joke that they need to make the tractor hoods a lot longer to put the name on there... McCormick Deering Farmall Case International Ford New Holland. Just be thankful there is public outcry over this. When Slick Billy Ford Sr. sold out, there was no internet forums for customers to complain, and things were not so publically discussed with less customer input... Then Again... Billy Ford Jr. didn't care about the customers anyway. He grew up with his Mustangs and other Ford muscle cars, and not with Ford tractors. He never sat in a tree house thinking of designs for farm equipment and tractors, and I don't believe he has ever had the yearning to till the land like Henry. Edited by John_SWPA - 07 Dec 2009 at 11:11pm
	John- "If I can't fix it, I'll fix it so no one can."

ac crazy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Points: 245	Post Options Post Reply Quote ac crazy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 1:02am
	PEOPLE LETS GIVE IT UP THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ALLIS BRAND... ITS DONE... JUST REPAINT YOUR EQUIPMENT LETS SAY PURPLE OR SOMETHING....OH ALSO I HERE DALE IN OHIO IS GIVING A GREAT DEAL ON NEW HOLLANDS.... JUST TRADE IT ALL IN ....