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    Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 12:20am
i am looking to buy either a d-14, d-15, or a wd 45. looking for any advice on which is better, bigger or is there that much of a difference ? i will be using it to brush cut, mow and bale hay, and move snow from my drive way. Any input would be appreciated...thanks
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you can sometimes buy a pretty decent D17 for the same amount as a 15...
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the d17 would be the tractor i look to get plus the D have the hand clutch to switch between high  and low.
 
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I like using my WD45 over my D17 when using brush cutter or baleing hay. Even tho the 17 has PD and more power I just think it is more handy when useing the hand clutch over the PD.  MACK
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Out of the few you mentioned, I would think the D14 or 15 would be more versitile than the WD45. Easier to get attachments for, loader, etc. The D17 as the guys mentioned would even be better. Depends on what you can afford is what it comes down to. Not to say the 45' isn't a great Tractor mind you...
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Before I made the decision I would analyze how many hours I expect to use the tractor and for what ... Bush Hog RPM requirements  will necessitate you running the tractor engine at or near full throttle for a 540 rpm PTO. I owned/used a wd-45 many years back when I first started farming. I can vividly remember the amount of gasoline it used... copious amounts.... took almost two tanks of gas in a 10 day.  I would expect a gas D-17 to consume a similar quantity of fuel, while the smaller engine D's will burn less.  I got tired of pouring all that fuel through the tractor and bought a used AC 160 (3 cylinder perkins diesel)that ran for two plus  days on a tank of fuel. If you are a weekend hobby farmer then perhaps a gas job will be ok, but if you are a rather serious hobby farmer then I would look at something other than a gas job as my primary tractor.  You will not believe how much fuel a WD-45 will burn in cold weather pushing snow... very close to the amount my JD 60 will consume,... which, by the way...  I keep in the shed... just looking good. 
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A 45 only holds 15gal gas so 2 tanks is poor comparison. I'm used to a 45 and spent little time on D17.Much more comfortable on my 45.Alot is what you're used to.Couldn't get used to going around front to mount and rear vision is harder,for me.
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I have both a D14 and a WD45.  I use a 7foot LIlliston mower and the 45 handles it well.  the D14 will handle it, but is a bit lacking in power.  Also, the D14 uses 26in tires and rims.  Expensive!!!   The clutch on the WD45 is a bit hard on your left hip.
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My neighbor has a D14 but I have no experience with using it in the field. I use a 7ft Lilliston mower behind my WD45 as well with no problems.
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I have a WD, a WD-45 and a D-17.
The WD is good on gas, the WD-45 a little worse and the D-17 a little worse than the WD-45. However, the power is progressively better as well!
I think the Hi/Lo Power director on the D series tractors is a big, big advantage over the single speed hand clutches on the WD and WD-45.
For that reason, you might consider the D-15 if you want something a little smaller.
Another big advantage of the D series tractors is that most of them came with P.S. whereas P.S. on a WD or WD-45 is not that common.
On the other hand, you will probably be able to find a WD at much less cost than a WD-45, a D-14/D-15 or a D-17  and it will handle a 5' brush hog or a baler with relative ease.
Having said all this, I sure wish I could find a nice D-15 at a price I could afford! LOL
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" rule of thumb" you can do a little job with a big tractor but you cant do a big job with a little tractor.
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i just did a fuel comparison for another inquiry on a 14 vs 17 gas application. the 226 in the 17 uses 60% more fuel under full load than the mouse motor in the 14, full load condition. however, you will probably not be running full throttle under the conditions you described for use tasks. yea the baler will rock and roll the 14 more than the 17 but if your doing under 1000 bales per year you just go with the flow and ride that buckin horse. the 14 has enough snoot to pull the baler and a wagon on flat or hilly ground without spinning out and its a lot easier to mount and dismount because of height of the 17. younger operators or old geezers like me can appreciate the height difference, steering quickness and braking response of the 14. however, never discount the amount of pleasure/work that the 17 can and will do.
in comparison to the 45 platform, the d series will let you stand up and stretch your legs while in full control of the tractor. just watch out for low hinging limbs !
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Comparing apples to oranges. WD45 should be much cheaper and more power than a D14 or 15. D series are all around more comfortable and easier to use than a WD45 IMO.
D17 is my favorite tractor and would be my first choice over a WD45 or D14 & D15. Early D17s can be had for less than $2000 for a rough but running one and a nice one can be bought for $3500.
If fuel use is a major concern then get a Kubota or something else with a diesel.
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I have both, get a D series.  Much safer getting on in front of the wheel, away from the PTO.
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If you get one of those steps that bolts to the frame rail you can get on a WD45 from the front. I get on my WD45 from the front if pto is going and I don't have the added on step. I am use to the WD45 so when I get on my neighbors D14 and D17 it seems like a pain to get on them to me.


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I have a WD, a d15 and a d17 and I wouldnt give my 17 for both the other ones.
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I grew up on D-17's a D-19 and a WC
When I moved to the country I aquired neighbors WD45 and used it for several years to bush hog and plow snow.
I had always liked D-15's and looked all over for what I was looking for (Ser II w. fct 3 pt). Rare and expensive , when I could find them.Also most were in bad shape usually from doing a job they were never intended for.
The whole time I was looking for the D-15 I kept seeing D-17's and WD 45's for sale at reasonable prices.
I finally thought it would be best to get a D-17.Maybe a little big for what I needed but seemed like better value.
Have bought 2 D-17's since then and could not be happier.The WD45 hardly gets used as the D-17's are just so much more comfortable,safe , updated hyd.,elect and PS.
I use my tractors for plowing snow,hauling wood and running a rotary mower. Buy what you want and feel comfortable with.I am sure some parts of the country the D-15 was more popular and available. Around here I just do not see a lot of good deals.
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Thanks A lot you guys a very helpful. i got 3 spotted we will see what happens.
thanks again and wish me luck!

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In a perfect world that pto would be shut off if you're not in the seat....yeah me too
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They would all work. For baling hay I think the bigger machine is better.
But as stated, even the D14 would work. The comments about fuel
consumption and the 160 are spot on. As soon as we got a 160, the other
tractors lost their jobs. The 2N just sat, the Ferguson TO-30 got a loader.
The JD B became a lawn ornament, the Minneapolis Moline ZB got
outfitted special for spraying.  Only the C was still used, because it had
cultivators. When I was younger I was the the operator of the sit-on
two row corn planter. The C always pulled that planter. My very important
job was to raise and lower at end of row. Keep an eye on it to ensure the
seeds were not stuck or blocked. That sound of the C at low rpm and the
plates on the planter clicking away are still with me. Sun going down, getting chilly.
Then as I got older, doing things after school, and dad couldn't count on his planter boy, the 160 got a 3-pt planter, now I was out of a job. Then he got a cultivator on the 160 and now the C was used only part time.  So the 160 ended up doing all the chores you mentioned, including cutting the hay and baling it, plowing (two bottom flipper, but fast), discing. Fuel economy won out (and power steering) and always starting....
Problem with the 160 is it is rare, and parts situation is dicey. I think the second place
choice to the 160 was a JD 1020. The 160 was about $2k cheaper. The diesels are noisy.
The D14 is lower than the D17, we ain't getting younger. Boy it was easy to hop on the 2N and the Ferguson.


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Originally posted by ctbowles58 ctbowles58 wrote:

" rule of thumb" you can do a little job with a big tractor but you cant do a big job with a little tractor.
 
OMG I wish someone could have gotten that through my dads head.  He was always trying to get a 50 hp tractor to do 100 hp worth of work.  I still have all the torn up, banged up, welded time and time again, equipment to prove it.
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Originally posted by 79fordblake 79fordblake wrote:

If you get one of those steps that bolts to the frame rail you can get on a WD45 from the front. I get on my WD45 from the front if pto is going and I don't have the added on step. I am use to the WD45 so when I get on my neighbors D14 and D17 it seems like a pain to get on them to me.
 
There are steps available for the D series too, I'm getting older and they look better all the time. LOL
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Originally posted by Dave in il Dave in il wrote:

Originally posted by 79fordblake 79fordblake wrote:

If you get one of those steps that bolts to the frame rail you can get on a WD45 from the front. I get on my WD45 from the front if pto is going and I don't have the added on step. I am use to the WD45 so when I get on my neighbors D14 and D17 it seems like a pain to get on them to me.
 
There are steps available for the D series too, I'm getting older and they look better all the time. LOL

Yeah I understand that also...lol. I may still be young but I am fairly small (about 140 lbs) and I have to strain to do certain things wether its hooking up something on tearing tractors apart to work on them....I can tell its doing a toll on me already. Oh well I love these old machines....I'm starting to come up with ways to make things easier.
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I have a D14, runs good (except pops out of 3rd...). Will it pull a 14"x18" baler like the MF 1839 or even a 16"x18"?  My contract hay guy would like more summer vacation, so I'm learning...
  I get about 100-400 small bales off some nice river bottom hay land in Wyoming. Some years less, some more.
   The baler seems to require the most power to run, and the D14 is rated at about 39-40 hp. A bit less at the PTO I think.
   Sorry about the blank post. (newbie)
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I think all coments are spot on, the D17 is a tractor capable of farming 160 acre's with no problem, however I still like my WD45-- it's a classic!!!
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Chas............let us know what you decide...the full report..
I too agree with all said, I grew up with D-14 & 17 after the WD-45  The only reason I have a 45 now is cause it was available.
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Baling hay with a small square baler doesn't require much PTO HP. My Dad baled with a JD 50 pulling a 14T baler, with a category 1 ejector and pull behind wagon in the Catskill mountains of New York State... while operating a small dairy farm. He later upgraded to a WD-45, but the 50 handled the load just fine and consumed a lot less fuel. He liked the WD-45 but quickly retreated when he discovered the amount of fuel it consumed over and above the little JD 50. He's 96 now, but still remembers when he took the 45 off the baler in disgust. The d-14 will do just fine with the baler.   
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Borrowed the neighbors d14 for a winter a few years back. a better seat setup, but not the power of the 45. The 14 had 90 lbs of fluid in the fronts and no power steering. It made a man out of me.LOL
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go with a d series for sure. i have a 59 d14 and love it compared to my friends wd45. i know the power advantage goes to the 45 but if you want to pull a baler with it... good luck. it doesnt have a low enough ground speed. i love my d14 especially when just put it in first gear and use the hi for light hay and when you come up to some heavyer stuff just pull it pd back into low. and if the baler is getting fed to much just put the pd in neutral and slowly pull back and inch through the tough stuff. sooo handy. plus you are safely away from the pto when you get on/off and on most dseries you have powersteering. unlike the wd/45 where ps is not so common. id take my d14 over a wd45 anyday. 
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