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    Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 7:06pm
Hello! I am trying to replace the brake bands on my old C, unfortunately the pin is not wanting to come loose from the axle tube. I have been soaking it with Blaster. I am open to ideas and am wondering what works well. Air hammer? Heat? Drill :(? I appreciate your replies!

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If a big hammer isn't working you can try some heat. On my C, I ended up drilling one of them out because heat and a big hammer didn't work. 
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What did you do for a new pin after you drilled out the stuck one?
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I had another one laying around. If you need one I'm sure someone on here has a bucket full of them.
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When you get the pin out and go to replace the bands you may want to be certain to clean out the brake area.  If the tractor has been sitting mice seem to love to live in there.  Also, when you take the bands out put a wire on them and draw it through when removing the bands.  You can use the wire to lead the band back.  Will make it easier.
Toughest brakes we had to remove was one from an orchard.  The spray rusted the bolts.  We always tried to be out of the shop when it came in for brakes.
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I actually have the final off the tractor because the drum had slid down the axle. Sure enough there was a mouse nest... and a couple that couldnt find their way out... Anyway what methods do you guys use to get those pins out?
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BFH and some HEAT!!!
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Use a drift on the end of the pins as seen in the picture, along with more Blaster.
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This is the way I took them out until I found using the air hammer punch was much faster.  With the air hammer it is a few minute job without blaster.
 
 
 
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I run under the presumption that if a little is good, then a lot is better when it comes to penetrating oil andI also try more than 1 formulation.  I usually hit something with some Kroil, then some PB and then some JB80.  Soak it good from the inside of the housing and outside and soak both pins at the same time, they both need to come out.  Also soak around where the pin goes thru the brake band because it needs to move thru that also.  If it runs down inside or outside, no big deal, it will clean up.
 
 


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I remember when I restored "Alice" my B. One final was full of grain, and the other had a mouse condo in it. And, it didn't smell good either!!  Whoa!  I found that heating up around the pin, and spraying your favorite penatrating oil around it and the heat drawing the oil in allowed me to drive the pins out quite a bit easier. I then ran the pins on my wire wheel grinder and cleaned them off. I then took a round wire brush that fit in the pin hole and chucked it up in the drill and cleaned the pin bore out. On re-assembly, I used a heavy coat of Anti-seize on the pins and in the bores. This way if I ever have to service the brakes again, I should be able to get things apart without to much trouble. I did the same thing to the adjusting bolts/jam nuts. That's an area where "heavy on the Anti-seize" isn't a bad thing. Its been over 10 years now since I did that. Man, where does the time go....!
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All,

Thank you very much for all the help. I tried heating it with a propane torch then MAP gas... and having at it with the hand sledge, no dice. Ended up cutting out the middle with a stick welder as finding someone around here with a O A torch turned out to be difficult. once the center was cut out a 16 lb sledge and a few punches (bent 2) got the job done... so anyone have extra pins they would be willing to part with, or know where I can get them?

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Welcome to the forum..  I replaced mine with some cold rolled steel I had,  can't remember the diameter, can check tomorrow if you need me too.   By the way where in NC are you located?   Tim
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Tim,

Thanks! I found the pins on ytmag for about $11 a piece. Just seeing if I can get a better deal. Im in fayetteville recently moved from Ohio. Im looking to pull with OTTPAINC this season!

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I didn't catch the pin question in time. A tip for the next time or for someone with the need for a new brake pin.
I have made several. Easy to do with a drill press. I took a small piece of an oak one by two. drilled a hole in it the size of the pin, cut a slot with a hack saw into the drilled hole, placed the one by two in a vise,  placed a pin cut from bar stock the length of the pin in the drill press so the needed groove was where the slot was cut, turned on the drill press, placed the hacksaw in the slot and cut the groove to the needed depth.
 
I don't have a lathe in my home shop and doing it that way takes less time than driving to the tool shop and makes the pin just as good as if it were done in a lathe.
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One of my pins FELL out in front of the garage one day. Before I found it, I put a 1/2 inch cap screw in it's place. Nobody mentioned removing the "pin retainer" . I guess there is supposed to be a snap ring in the groove on the pin????
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Except on the really early B's like your's Charlie, which originally had the setscrew....
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I did a brake job on a 39 B Today.  1/2 way.  Still need to put everything back together with new bands I had for 15 years.   Soaked the 4 pins overnight with PB.  Today I would get them out the easy way by using my sons air hammer .    The only way to go in my book.
     Getting the old bands out when the hinge is rusted solid and rock hard grease or oil and dirt needs cleaned out of the way. 
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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

One of my pins FELL out in front of the garage one day. Before I found it, I put a 1/2 inch cap screw in it's place. Nobody mentioned removing the "pin retainer" . I guess there is supposed to be a snap ring in the groove on the pin????




Excellent point. Hopefully the "C" clips that keep the brake band pins centered in the housing were removed prior to driving out the pins. If its all rusted and dirty inside the housing they can be hard to spot.
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YEP......... you can smack it 300 times with a 5 pound hammer....... or use an air impact that is pounding 300 times per minute and poke them right out....... and some penetrant never hurts.
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Do you know how old this original post is?  2012!!!
Hard to believe
Information is still good though!
Perhaps we should put it on the Knowledge Base Section
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