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    Posted: 01 Aug 2011 at 12:53pm
Is there ant tricks to the governer on my 1953 wd? It seams to only go half throttle. When i bought the tractor the po had a piece of bailing twine tied to the carb for more throttle. I adjusted the linkage so the lever will only go 3/4 way and still no changes. There is some slack between the 2 rods on the governer before you can feel the spring. Hope there is a simple adjustment.
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I did not see any replies to your governor question.

Did you figure out what the problem was?

I have the same issue but I have not attempted any adjustments yet.

 



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You can change the spring in the governor,  but there is no adjustment. I use a spring I found at tractor supply on my farm stock puller, It will turn 2300 if your unloaded. I don't recommend doing this very long.

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I put a spring for a 170 in my WD and it works great.Gives it allot of pep.A little tough to change out though.I used a large pair of 90 angle needle nose pliers.
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Thanks again to Terry & Tripp for the advice about the governor spring. I have not purchased a manual yet but soon will. Can you also tell me what the recommened safe RPM range is for a 51' WD?
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Governed loaded speed is 1400. I think you can change it to 1600 or 1700 by changing out governor springs with a D17.
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Thanks 79FORDBLAKE
Such low RPMS it would be nice to have a permanent mounted tach.
Currently just using my ears I would say that is probably about where it is now.
I will barrow a tach from work and check it this weekend to be sure.
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I had a non-responsive governor on my WD. After doing some checking on my parts tractor, I discovered that the rod the governor weights pivot on was worn and bent.
 
Once I put the governor from the parts tractor on it, the first time I got on to move it with the throttle at the normal position and not trying to hotrod it, I pulled the front end about two feet off the ground.
 
This tractor has been in the family since Grandpa bought it new in the spring of '51. He bought two of them one for Dad (10 years old) and one for him. When they quit farming in 1965, my other Grandpa bought it and used it as his only tractor on 80 acres.
 
It may have been overhauled with a 45 crank installed sometime around 1960, I don't know for sure, and didn't think to measure the stroke when I had the head off. Grandpa always claimed it had a 45 kit in it and Dad never contradicted him, so who knows.
 
One of these days I will have to find out for sure, because it really needs an overhaul now.
 
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Robert
Sounds like you have a very special tractor.
I don't have a parts tractor but if I need a governor are they easy to come by?
How hard are they to install?
All of they tractors I grew up around are long gone.
My buddy and I just recently purchased this one just for a hobbie & something to play with. It was very cheap only $500 and it starts easy & runs ok but we are not sure if the RPM's are right or not. It came with a two bottom plow & we tried it out last Sunday. It did seem to struggle a little but the ground is very hard we have had no rain for a long time now.
 
 
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I've got one or two governor's laying around.  They also come up on eBay from time to time.
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Thanks
I'll check mine this weekend and decide if I need one or not.
 
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I would take off the front cover and have a look inside, sounds like you might have broken weights or pins or something siezed up inside.


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WOW!
Thanks for the exploded view of the governor.
That will be of great use to me.
Now I have better idea of what I'm looking for.
 
 
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I have a D17 govenor spring in my WD45, it turns 2300 no load.
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A few other gentlemen have mentioned the D-17 spring & 2300 RPM.

My big question is what's safe?
How many RPM's can these little engines handle?
My engine has the new style orange paint different color from the rest of the tractor.
I think it has very few hours on a possible overhaul but did set for several years with out being ran after the man that owned it was killed.
It has great oil pressure starts & idles very quickly & smoothly.
I just don't want to throw a rod or anything like that.
 
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Here is a link to pictures of our purchase.
We will call these the before pictures due to we will be restoring thru the winter.
 
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Make sure your governor rods are adjusted correctly....search for Dr. Allis's thread on it.

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2300 would be the unloaded rpm not the loaded rpm. I see people do it all the time......I wouldn't just let it set there unloaded idling at 2300 rpm for any length of time though.
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Thank's to everyone for the great info
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I put the 1800 rpm spring from AGCO in my WD45. it had a 1400 and was very unresponsive. I inspected the rest of the govener when it was apart and nothing eles was worn.  after installing the spring they are listed as 1400, 1600, and 1800 in the parts book. I had to adjust the govener stop down to keep it under 2000 no load. really made a differance in the tractor. before it would bog down to 1100 before going back up to 1400 and you could not get any figher. now it holds 14-1500 at 3/4 throttle. steady. made a world of differance with a snow blower. 
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Hopefully I'll get lucky & just need the spring too.
Thanks!
 
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Originally posted by bornready71 bornready71 wrote:

Robert
Sounds like you have a very special tractor.
I don't have a parts tractor but if I need a governor are they easy to come by?
How hard are they to install?
All of they tractors I grew up around are long gone.
My buddy and I just recently purchased this one just for a hobbie & something to play with. It was very cheap only $500 and it starts easy & runs ok but we are not sure if the RPM's are right or not. It came with a two bottom plow & we tried it out last Sunday. It did seem to struggle a little but the ground is very hard we have had no rain for a long time now.
 
 
This is one tractor that I will never sell. It is taking it easy now, just brushhogging my 10 acres once a year, plowing the garden and occaisionally blading snow off the driveway.
 
I don't know where you are in Kansas, but Austin's salvage probably has a truckload of them. I have no idea what one would cost.
 
I think it took all of about 20 or 30 minutes to replace mine. I replaced the whole assembly from the block to the distributor (also from the parts tractor).
 
Maybe buy  cheap tach at O'Reilly's to check your RPMs?
 
I am waiting for a lot more rain before I even attempt to plow my garden with my 3-14 plow.
 
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Be prepared when buying a spring....they arent cheap. Sandy Lake Implement has fixed me up with them a few times and usually stock them and will ship them.
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I don't know all that I need to know about rpms and setting the linkage. My friend who was an AC mechanic for 30-40 years said that when you have the slack out of them, the throttle rod should be just a little(maybe an 1/8 inch) past the hole in the carb with the carb at idle. Seems to work!
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Robert
I'm located at the northern tip of Leavenworth County Kansas about 5 min south of the Athison county line. Where is Austin's salvage located?
 
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I did not have time to check my governor I'll have to try for next weekend.
I'll just bet that I'm going to need that D-17 spring
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Originally posted by Matt MN Matt MN wrote:

I would take off the front cover and have a look inside, sounds like you might have broken weights or pins or something siezed up inside.


in the picture right above me the rod going up from the shaft arm is either mis adjusted has too much pulled through the set screw or the one going to the governor is set to short at the bell crank hope this helps and thanks for the visual exploded view.
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Originally posted by bornready71 bornready71 wrote:

Robert
I'm located at the northern tip of Leavenworth County Kansas about 5 min south of the Athison county line. Where is Austin's salvage located?
 
They are located a few miles south east of Butler, MO. Phone # 660-679-4080 and are one of this sites' sponsors. They are decent people to deal with, always been helpful to me wehn I needed parts.
 
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