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Kcgrain ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 774 |
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Here is a sad note to everyone, we had a very very good kid that use to hang around here, helped in the shop and in the fields, got hooked on Allis Chalmers here, was all excited about the D-21 being built for pulling, which he was just crazy about, got in an accident monday.
He just got a "bigger" crotch rocket and was feeling pretty free Monday which was a very nice day, thought he could speed by 3 cars, didnt plan on the 3rd vehicle to turn and crashed into it, died instantly.
VERY VERY sad day here got the call almost immediataly after it happened and cant stop the hurt and great loss, and total waste of a an outstanding young adult.
Dont want to be preachy but if your kids have these death machines GET RID OF THEM, no teenager can resist the power and it can all be over just as quick as that. Just a complete waste.
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Sitesstables ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Indiana Points: 154 |
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will keep you and that family in our prayers..
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41783 |
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Been riding cycles since 1962 and the left turn by another is the thing that gets many. You can be going 5 MPH or 60 MPH and people do not see you, or they think they do not see you. At a intersection or at a crossroad where you have the right of way you have to expect the unexpected as the other driver will pull out ahead of you. SAME EXCUSE I didn't see the cycle.
Yes it is sad and it seems many on the crotch rockets forget the carefull defensive driving you need to practice. Then neighbor was 1/4 mile from his house doing 30 MPH on his HD full dresser when another neighbor backed out of driveway. Pine trees hid the view of both and the result was fatal. No speed problem as it is a 50 MPH zone, no wreckless driving, just a I did not see him accident.
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Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something.
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DREAM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Location: Elberton,GA Points: 1828 |
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Rode for many years myself. Just seen too many people mangled or killed, and I don't have good enough luck to beat the odds forever, so now I don't ride anymore.
There's just no protection on a bike, I don't care what kind it is, or how fast you're going. Don't know how many times i've almost hit deer or dogs. Had cars back out, even had cars pull out to pass in ONCOMING traffic with nowhere for me to go. Just lucky they saw me in time and got back in line.
So sorry for your loss. We will keep everyone in our prayers.
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I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me!
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Stan IL&TN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elvis Land Points: 6730 |
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Sorry for your loss but it's not the bike it's the rider. You can't fix stupid be it on two wheels or four. I've been on two wheels since that first 2.5hp mini bike in 1968. Yes I've had close calls but when riding you must assume that no one can see you and act accordingly. I think most will agree that we are all lucky to have survived our teenage years.
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Breeze ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ga Points: 8931 |
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Robert I understand where you're coming from. A loss of any life is tragic, but to lose a promising young teen that is close to one's self is even more difficult. If we outlawed all crotch rockets, they would find other dangerous thrills. We didnt have em around here growing up but it didnt stop some friends from dying in other terrible accidents from homemade mud boggers or the dreaded 3 wheelers, heck even growing up with ponds on the place or on the river as we are, we've lost friends and relatives to preventable accidents over the years. Having ridden a rocket or two in my day, I agree, no kid can resist the power they have. Sorry for the loss of your friend.
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bill2260 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Points: 215 |
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Three weeks ago local boy 21, was killed in motorcycle crash. Two years ago in july, I hit a deer going about 60. Slid up the county road about 100 feet. I held onto the handle bars and rode till it stopped. Road rash on left arm and leg. Muffler burns on right arm and leg. Rode it home. In September almost hit another one. Decided time to quit if I wanted to have a chance at reaching old age. Only motorycle riders that havn't crashed are the ones that are going to. Very dangerous and my luck ran out. Yesterday a 71 year old connecticut man crashed in Western MD. He will survive, but injured. Bill
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WD in kansas ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Points: 164 |
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Sorry to hear about the young life lost. I've been riding my entire life, and never had a serious accident until last year. Of all things to get hit by, it was a tractor! I came over the crest of a hill less than a mile from my house, and met a JD coming up the other side. He was pulling an air planter all folded out, and a grain wagon behind that. He was looking over his shoulder trying to keep it between the ditches, and claims he never even saw me. Neighbor had to go after him and bring him back to the scene. Fractured my shoulder and a couple of ribs. A month at the HD dealership and six weeks in a sling, but I'm back on it!
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1950 WD, Duetz Allis 613
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Kcgrain ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 774 |
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I appreciate the suppost, its been a rough couple of days for sure. I am not sure how to take the cant fix stupid remark, if you would have known him he was anything but stupid. I am not niave enough to think that with no bikes there would be no death, that wasnt my point, but a teenager with alot of power just doesnt have the life expierence to understand the other drivers. I rode bikes, had mini bikes, they were fun for sure but even to this day I dont trust them, its not the driver thats the problem its others they are unpredictable, and if you dont believe that ask a truck driver. When we have the trucks on the road I am constantly amazed at the dumb moves people make around 80,000#. IT wasnt anybodys fault what happened monday, bad judgement for sure, my theory was he was going to die monday no matter what, fortunatly he was doing something he loved. Thanks again for the support it helps.
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jmm ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2009 Points: 176 |
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stupid/smart is not the problem. I'm sorry for the loss. I must say that I have done many things on bikes that make me shiver to think about. And I kept doing it. Its adrenaline, just like other drugs, you get hooked. (see also, NW washington log-trucking). I knew better but I kept at it... and I'm in graduate school.
Again, I'm sorry for your and the family's loss.
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Dave in il ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Manville Il Points: 1748 |
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I'm very sorry for your loss.
I ride, I have for more than 40 years. Youth and inexperience, not stupidity was the cause of this crash. When we were young we all thought we would live forever and took foolish chances, leaped before we looked.
If he had been 30 riding the same bike he probably would have thought about the driveway or intersection ahead before making the pass. With the power of todays sport bikes a 600 is like a 900 from the 70s. I'm sure he assumed he could easily make the pass before any oncoming traffic, without considering a vehicle being passed would turn left. He could have done the same thing driving a powerful car or truck, he may have survived but he could have killed the other driver.
There are at least 4 young people that ride on the road today because they grew up around me and my friends. One is my daughter. I've always stressed wearing a helmit and saftey gear when they used to ride on the bike with me. I've insisted that they take the Motorcycle Safety Course. I constantly remind them to ride like they're invisible and to assume every other vehicle will run right over them if given the oppertunity. I preach NEVER drink and ride. I try to be a good example when I ride with them. But I worry that one of them may end up hurt or killed, however I worry about them to the same extent in any other vehicle. Good judgement will prevent most motorcycle accidents. Unfortunatly good judgement comes from experience.
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WI D-21 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Nov 2010 Location: Central WI Points: 25 |
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Kcgrain a nice "in memory of " on that D-21 would be a great way to remember him. What class tractor are you building and what club are you pulling in?
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 32543 |
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I ride yet today, gave up speed and stupid for touring and slow but the chance for a severe life changing accident looms every time you step across the seat. Prayers to his family and for his soul to rest from here.
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LouSWPA ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 24545 |
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I sold all my bikes when my boys were born.....danged if they both don't ride bikes anyhow! maybe it's genetic.
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41783 |
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Lou was just thinking of my brother and his 76 Triumph, he was working for me in 77 and came out on his bike , ended up blowing head gasket so used my trailer to take it home. Sat there not running for 20 years as he had two sons and he did not want to tempt them into riding for some reason. On his passing his youngest son had it fixed and now rides it, he moved to SC and has bought a new Triumph but has kept his dad's old bike also .
I sure wanted to buy that machine but life still goes on. Guess I will just have to be content with my 8 or 10 Nortons
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Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something.
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Ed in TX ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Beaumont, Texas Points: 400 |
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I'm very sorry for your loss. I've been in the motorcycle business for 28 years. 15 years in retail and 13 years in wholesale. I've seen a lot of lives lost or changed in motorcycle accidents. I still ride, not as often as I used. No doubt, motorcycles are dangerous. The country that manufacturs most of the bikes sold here, Japan, has a graduated licensing system. You have to get a 50cc license, ride for a couple years and then you can get the next step, 250 or 500, I'm not sure of the exact requirements. The point is, you have to have years of real riding experience and a lot of education bfore you can get on a 1000cc bike. In the US an 18yr old with a down payment can buy a 1400cc bike that will go 180mph. A motorcycle endorsement isn't even required for the purchase. I've made my living most of my adult life in the motorcycle industry but I think we have a huge flaw in our system. There's a lot of people in our business that feel the same way.
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AllisChalmers37 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Location: London,KY Points: 1846 |
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That's very sad. I feel really bad for you and the people that were close to him. I agree with the above in that motorcycles are dangerous and they do not get the respect on the road that they deserve. But in his situation it just goes to show that one second of not thinking right can end it all.
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1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500
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rhartwick ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2011 Location: NY Points: 41 |
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KCGrain,
There is nothing that can take away the ache of the tragedy of losing a young person like that. It is a devastating, life changing experience, and you and his family have my deepest sympathy. I've ridden since I was a kid, and love motorcycling and take it very seriously, taking cross-country trips, and putting on 10-15K miles per year, although a lot less lately. All my kids, including my daughter, motocrossed, and ride on the street. But, I wouldn't let them near a bike until they had full safety courses, and they started out on 250-350 cc bikes for at least a year before they moved on to anything. I agree with Ed it is crazy that anyone can walk into a dealer with no experience, and in some states, not even a MC specific license, and buy a bike capable of 150 mph or better. Motorcycling can be a beautiful experience, but like flying, guns, tractors or even sex, it can lead to deadly consequences. I'm not moralizing, and I don't want to turn this thread into anything but condolances for your loss. However, if even one of us can get through to a young kid that we know, to get proper training and gear, and to always treat riding with the greatest respect at all times, maybe we can help one kid avoid a tragedy. |
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zootownjeepguy ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Location: Kalamazoo, Mi. Points: 27 |
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I'll second that. Here in Michigan we call the young kids on crotch rockets weaving between traffic "organ donors". I have been riding bikes since I was just a kid and have learned that you ride as if you are invisible and NEVER assume that you have the right of way. I ride a Ducati Monster 900 and have had a few close calls myself. It seems that about 90% of those close calls are caused by some Friggin' retard talking on a cell phone while driving. I'm sorry for your loss, and for his family. Rich |
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Rich Salvaggio
'31 Allis Chalmers U 7143 '46 Willys CJ2A Farm Jeep '48 Caterpillar D2 Antique Garden tractors *Other rusty old junk comes & goes without notice |
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AC WD45 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 2060 |
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Grandpa said once, If there ever comes a time when you ain't afraid of it anymore, it's time to sell it.
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Pat the Plumber CIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Springfield,Il Points: 4844 |
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I am so sorry to hear of the loss of this young man.Have lost many friends to automobile accidents.One of my best friends was killed 2 years ago by a Texting driver who swerved across the road.These sudden deaths are the hardest to deal with,no warning and difficult to deal with. An ex-girlfriends father died after a 2 year struggle with cancer.His funeral was almost a relief because we all new what he had endured.My friend George's funeral was one of the hardest to endure because of the suddeness. 2 seconds before it happened he had no way to know it was coming.
Again my prayers go out to you and his family/friends. I ride now and rode when I was 19-20. I thought I knew it all then and never listened to anyone.Still kind of like that today.I know the consequences of an accident today and will accept my fate.Don't like to ride at night and I will never drink and ride.Assume everyone will run into you and most important; Don't ride in someones blind spot. |
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You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails
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Danny NM ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Dec 2009 Location: New Mexico Points: 69 |
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Hello Bob Sorry to hear of your loss . Had a young man grow up in my shop. he was about 8 when he started hanging out. He was a nice kid with no dad. when he was about 15 he got in trouble at school and they sent him to a boys school up north of here. he got out when he was 18. he came by the shop to say hello. he seemed to have made it in good shape very polite and well manerd. a week later he was killed in a gun battle with the police. i miss him still. our prayers go to you and yours. Danny |
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junkman ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Nevada, MO Points: 355 |
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Had my second cousin killed two weeks ago on a hog. A really good kid. But for some reason on his way back from collage, he rear ended a dump truck. I hate to use the expresion the good die young but sometimes it's true. He was 20 years old and finishing his last somester of collage in ag science. Sorry to here about your loss. I know how it feels.
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Allen Dilg ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NE IL Points: 820 |
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Hello KCgrain Sorry for your loss. I have raised 2 boys I never complained about their go carts, 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, dirt bikes, but they were never allowed to have a street machine,
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5891 |
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24 years and over a million miles on motorcycles from 250 to 1500cc, 37 years and well over a million miles on bicycles, and the last 6 years driving a CDL-class truck, the answers to all traffic safety questions are simple:
Always have, and protect, an exit path. Always have, and protect... a second exit path. Always assume the vehicle in front, alongside, or behind you will suffer some mechanical serious failure. Always assume the other guy will do something seriously wrong. Always assume that nobody can see you. Always assume that IF they could see you, they'd TRY to hit you. Finally... --Every accident is YOUR fault... just for being there when it happens... and your sentence will be made through the laws of nature, regardless of the laws of man. Our laws call it a simple misdemeanor, and Physics issues the death penalty. It is a sad, sad thing... but I see, and am continuously amazed by... worse infractions made by people behind-the-wheel every day. It isn't the machine that carries fault or deserves blame... it was simply responding to mechanical input as it was designed. Improper judgment, complacency, or a moment of inattention, appearing at the wrong moment, brings this result. Which makes it an excellent moment to reflect on the kinds of things we could do with a tractor that would give all of us the same real-estate opportunity. Stretched-out tow chains and cables ready-to-break... improperly secured tractors and equipment on deck... insufficient trailer brakes or lighting... having a heart-attack with grandkids on the tractor for a ride... Don't take ANYTHING for granted... ultimate safety is about having hindsight, and exercising foresight. |
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darrel in ND ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8676 |
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Sorry for your loss, Bob. My prayers are with you. Darrel
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Kcgrain ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 774 |
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Thanks very much for all the support the wake is tonight funeral tomorrow not going to be a good couple of days for sure, but you cant turn back time. Thanks again I really do appreciate it. Allis Chalmers people always seeem to be the best!!
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RTcat ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2010 Location: South Cntrl Wi Points: 7 |
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KCgrain,
Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. Hopefully time will help everyone involved. Where in WI did this occur? I'm located just a little ways south of Madison.
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Kcgrain ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 774 |
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it happened about 30 miles west of Green Bay,
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Andrew Kimbrough ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis, MN Points: 283 |
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We just had a local fire chief just about 30 miles north of my department killed in a motorcycle crash Saturday. He was riding behind a vehicle and a lady pulled out of walmart in front of him.. claims she never saw the motorcyle at all. It is a sad day when we lose anybody but especially the young ones like your friend and this fire chief. Praying for you and his family as you deal with his loss.
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