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    Posted: 21 Apr 2011 at 12:24pm
this has likley been discussed a million times, i bought a wd today its stuck. guy at work said it was common for them to stick at the rod & main bearings. said to drop the pan & loosen the rod caps & spray them with pb blaster. he said they dont get stuck on the rings very often. can he be right?? i put blaster in the cylinders anyway.
also , anyone have a wiring diagram to change it to 12v with a delco remy alt.
tractor is in very good shape. good strait tin, spin out wheels & BRAND new back tires, still has the rubber tits on them & the blue line on them. gave $500 for it. also has a chalmers back blade on it.
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I would be more apt to say it's the cylinders stuck. You think about it, to have the rod seize you would have to have water down there. my thoughts. 
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I would bet on pistons stuck. Check our website for wiring info - tidbits page.  Bill
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 jack up the right  rear tire  with the spark plugs out &a good shot of P-B in each hole  - put  trans  3 rd  both clutchs engaged  grab hold  of the rear tire  BANG IT BACK & FORTH  mite take few mins. or so  when you see the fan move  get crank out turn it over a few turns its ready to go  try this be for you tear the eng. apart
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2011 at 11:58pm
I'd agree with others-  not likely stuck at rods, as much as stuck at pistons/rings.  When it was last checked, was it outside, and below freezing?  If so, get it warmed up, pull the drain plugs on the oilpan and transmission... if you find water, try the hand-crank, or P-man's suggestion.  Finally, push the clutch pedal in, and tie it down with a ratchet-strap, and try the hand-crank...  Might not be as stuck as you think.
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thanks, i`ll give it a try. not gonna pull engine apart if i can help it.
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No offense to your work mate but it sounds like he was making it up as he was telling you a story or has never done much with any engine. You definitely have stuck piston(s). 
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I agree stuck rings, was it outside with exhaust uncovered? if so how long ?  Ive seen a real mess with those that required head removal and honing to cleenup.
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the Pumpkin man is exactly right. I have broken several loose that way over the past 30 years. Your buddy is clueless.(or a Deere man)
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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yea, it didnt sound right when he was telling it. its been in a barn & muffler has a cover on it. oil is clean , no water.
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I would do like Pumpkin Man said then. You might go to a nappa store and buy a orange can of supper penetrating oil. People have told me it is better then PB Blaster but you have to pay more for it.
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Mix up  equal parts of ATF and Acetone and pour it in.  The BEST penetration gunk there is!! As I have stated on other threads, you can go to jail for theft!  WHAT a deal you got on this one!!  The backblade is almost worth that much.
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yea i thought we stole them, we got 3 tractors, this wd, a wd45 with a 300 kelly loader on it that is also stuck, & a oliver super55 with a factory loader. oliver is not stuck but rear brakes are froze up. we gave $500 @ for the orange ones & he gave me the oliver.
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a super 55 with a loader on it would sell for no less than $2500 around here easily!
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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What a deal! The only things I get for free are empty beer cans and fast food wrappers in my road ditch.  LOL
Why is there never time to do it right the first time, but always time to go back and fix it?
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We want something free to! Pictures please
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 A LLIS gAS  Engs. have been  known to.(STICK) winterning over  in a barn ,a shed , with the exhaust pipe covered. Why mostly  the cause  is ourselfs  ( 9 out of 10 times) the last thing we do is jack the throttle open  1 or 2 times then turn  the eng. off  This puts lots of fuel in thr clys. thus washing the oil film off  the  clyd. walls and pistons.        You can beleve it or not.  O  LONN  My  feet still move faster than my mouth..
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gonna get some pics the next couple days. will try to figure out how to post them.
my success rate at posting pics isnt very good. i`m pretty stupid with this computer
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Hey Bill,

Welcome to the forum first off.
Be aware that you're not stupid with computers, just don't know how to work with one but want to.
At one time I was uninformed also, but took on the task to learn albeit a steep learning curve and I did it. You can too!!
Have a great weekend!
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i did finally learn to get pics off the camera on the computer & email them so i guess i`ll get it
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Osage, you had me going for a sec there James, free beer cans.... I usually buy the cans and the beer is free.. LOL
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For what it's worth, an older, wiser, and more experienced friend once told me of wisdom concerning rescuing and restoring tractors:

Make sure you have... at least... either good tires, or a good engine.  They're the most expensive investments in a tractor project.  Sounds like you've got just the project.

Now, since it's got new rubber, whoever had it before thought the rest of it worthy of the investment.  I wouldn't be surprised if once broken free, you find the motor to be good. 

One other thing... it isn't unusual for someone to stick a freshly-rebuilt motor.

When I was very young, my Dad was restoring a '28 Ford A Tudor.  He had it off frame, all the bodywork done, and in primer... had the engine out, and wanted to ship it off to a shop that specialized in Model A Ford engines, and they gave it a complete and thorough overhaul.  Well, he had a few MAF's... and one was a '29 commercial pickup... and the engine that was in the truck... well, he swapped 'em 'tween the two, 'cause the Tudor's engine was still pretty good, but the pickup's motor was pretty oily... so he swapped the two, and sent the pickup motor to the shop for overhaul.

Year later, he got the engine back, and put it in the Tudor chassis (so the engines are switched, and of course, the vehicle SN follows the engine SN...), but he put it in that chassis, and wanted to fire it up.  I was probably 5... so here he was, with the bare chassis, engine in place, and a fuel tank from a garden tractor on a plywood bracket, sitting between the seats... that were loosely bolted in... and he decided to test the newly-rebuilt engine by taking the chassis for a drive around the block.  Yep, I was sitting in the passenger seat.  No child seats... no seatbelts... but this was back when... well... whatever.  It was a memory I'll never forget, watching the fan spin, hearing it chug, watching the spark advance and throttle levers move, double clutching, brake, and up the driveway we went... probably ten blocks total... dad backed it back into it's work area in the garage, turned off the gas, and ran the carb dry.

Anyway, fast forward a year... kids growing, lots of things going on...  hadn't touched it.  Another year, then two... I'm 6, and Dad decided it was time to make room in the work area, so he lifted up the body, and we rolled the chassis under.  I laid underneath, starting fasteners while he worked from above.  Banged my head on the fender support (ow!!!).

Fast forward another 11 years... I'm 17.  Dad says "I'm selling the tudor, but need to change motors with the '29 truck... and I need you to do it for me".

Okay... uh... dad... that motor's stuck.  "What?  How?  it's freshly rebuilt??"

Yep... we ran it just long enough to START the break-in, but not enough to FINISH it... and of course, he ran it out of fuel, but never oiled the cylinders...

It was a tiring job, but I got it broke free... switched the two engines, and eventually, drove the Tudor down the driveway, around the block, and up onto the car hauling semi that took it to it's new owner somewhere around Seattle.

The engine is now in his '29 pickup, and has been run a bit, but IMO has never quite been 'right'... but I'll never make the mistake of rebuilding, then running an engine, but not quite breaking it all the way in, and if I hafta store a fresh rebuild, I'll oil it down good.

So my suggestion is... not to assume the condition to be either good or bad... it MAY be stuck because someone put effort into it, and it was just a tad tighter than a well-worn motor.  It may be worse, but being shedded with a can over the pipe tells me it wasn't neglected.  Good chance that the diamond you found, is brighter than not.  Be gentle, keep faith, and you'll find out soon enough.
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