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Starter Tanks, Anyone??

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    Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 5:04pm
Hey guys... So, last night I just happened to be out in the barn, and came across this starter tank, off of an old unstyled WC. I promised this one to my friend Rich (R Aikin), but back when I put it up for sale, it generated a lot of interest... Several people wanted to buy it, which really surprised me...

But, now being a little older and a welding student, I see the potential for a neat little project here... Looking around online, I can get a filler neck, cap, studs, etc, fairly inexpensively, and re-produce these things. The main difference between what I could make and the original, would be that the ends on mine would be flat, since theres no way that I could stamp out curved ends like AC did. 

Here is the original:



And here is what I could make:




The cost would depend on how many people are interested... I know that I can get round tubging this wide, and about an 1/8 of an inch thick. I would either tig it, or oxy/acetylene weld it... So, if anyone is interested, please just let me know, via replies on here, or my email... And, I'm always looking for ideas for things to make, so if theres anything else like this that I could make something VERY similar to the original that you'de be interested in, just let me know... Thanks for reading, guys... 
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That old tank has an extra hole, will work perfect.  Almost everything I have has an extra hole or two.
 
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MAKE  a set of stamping dies, and fit 'em in a hydraulic press!

take a piece of 1/4"  plate,  heat it, then hammer it till you have the appropriate (close) radius,  make it's partner...  remember-   the guys that made those original tanks left their technology behind from which you can learn.  You've got much more at your disposal than THEY did!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lanse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 7:38pm
If I get enough people interested, i'll defiantly try that... In fact, it sounds pretty cool, and like great video making material :-)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CTuckerNWIL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 7:52pm
I heard a long time ago there was a guy in Gilson,Il making the starter tank. I don't know who it was but I don't think he makes them anymore.
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These tanks are already reproed.I have some for sale as well .Can post pictures if want.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jaybmiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2011 at 6:27am
Lanse, the 'domed' ends are easy to make.
Measure the diameter then go to the nearest big box store,TSC,etc. that has small air compressors on sale.Find the one that matches.If you're lucky the length will be close, if not, cut and shorten or add as required.
As for the 'leftover' aircompressor parts...sell in yard sale, or add to old, cleaned out propane tanks.....
 
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I could make them out of sheet metal, but when they are available from being mass-produced why bother.

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Is this a tank to hold gas before switching to fuel oil ?  Not familiar with WC's.  Jim
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I saw this tank in my parts book for a ca. Never seen one actually on a ca. Where does it mount? Anyone have pics. Fred, how much do they run? Ron 
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I think this topic is starting to digress a bit, I think what Lanse wanted to know is; if he started reproducing these things, would there be a market with the flat ends? 
Lanse, if you feel up to the task, try it bud!  It will be a great learning project at the very least.
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Use 5 inch truck exhaust tubing like we do in UK, it makes life so much easier !!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lanse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2011 at 5:06pm
Where exactly can you already buy one of these, brand new?? I've looked on ebay, and used google, but I can't come up with a single one... 

And if you do find them, what do they run?
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Most any of the vendors on this site either carry them or can get them.
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Try this link, but any truck supply should be able to get what you need.
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Norm Meinert (www.normsantiques.com) carries them in stock. They are perfect copies of the original, with the studs built-in, ready to fix under the hood.
 
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Lanse: I would only buy the ones with the domed ends.
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Lanse- It's hard to do this kind of thing in small-volume and 'compete'.  Even the guys that do it, expound substantial resources and hold a few on hand for very low sales volume.  Fortunately, the guys that do, usually have access to shops that do other similar things for other industries, so the actual part carries much less of the 'overhead' involved.

But it is important, as an individual, to not only be able to DO this kind of thing, but to learn how it was originally done, and how it is done today, and understand that the OLD ways worked, and were economical to do at THAT timeframe, with THOSE techniques, in THAT scale.  It is also important to understand how modern techniques work, at what SCALE they become efficient, and how and why materials and processes have changed.

An average person wouldn't bother getting out of his football chair to do this- we've moved rapidly away from a inventing-manufacturing society, and into consumerism... where the rest of the world's products come to us, and many of those products are using highly-automated processes, so very little skilled labor and artisanship are required. 

People in today's world, seem to be satisfied to find some 'niche' where they can get their fingers between the consumer and the producer... they don't really have to be involved in anything other than being 'in the middle'.   While people who are truely successful, take their position at the START of the line, and carry it as close to the finish as they can.  If you read up on the Industrial Revolution, horizontal and vertical integration... guys like Andrew Carnegie, Westinghouse... and of course, the whole history of every major tractor manufacturer, especially Allis-Chalmers, you'll see how incredibly different our world has gone through change.

Learning the skills to making the rounded end of the tank... the OLD way, and the NEW way, and then, a way that YOU can do on your own, is a really good thing to learn.  Cut disks, use a planishing hammer, and silver-solder one up as a one-off.  Then make some stamps, stamp and weld.  Make a mandrel for a lathe, and SPIN the ends... that is a unique process  that's still used in some applications, but not as many.
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Good points Dave. I vote metal spinning for a way to make the ends. I've spent quite a bit of time working on and rebuilding spinning lathes. It is and art form that many have never heard of.
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