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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 12:30am |
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Anyone have an opinion about whether or not to add a fuel lubricant to the new lower sulfur off-road & road diesel fuels? Do the older diesel engines that have the mechanical fuel pumps & regular injectors need better lubrication? If so, which additives are good lubricants?
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 12:49am |
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I use the Lucas brand produts in everything (gas too). Injection pumps are too expensive to take that risk. Ed
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 1:55am |
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Around here some of the guys put 2 cycle oil in their diesel and they claim it works well...I dont know though
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 5:13am |
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i put 8oz 2 cycle in each tank at fillup. My engine (95 powerstroke) was real noisy with the new fuel. Didn't notice much difference in mpg, but the engine was noticably quieter
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 5:44am |
I run a bit of two stroke oil in my 97 Powerstroke. And like Larry it seems to quiet things down and makes the engine idle smoother. Increases in MPG are hard to calculate because of the varied use of the truck but I'd guess 1 MPG. I'll never put enough miles on it to know about life of the injectors. I buy the outboard oil in gallons where ever I find it cheap. Older trucks with rotory pumps are a differant story, you better be running something unless you like to R&R injector pumps. I just saw a study somewhere on the various thing people put in diesel fuel to helo with the lube problem but cant find it to link here, sorry. Some commonly used things like ATF and regular motor oil do nothing and some are even harmful.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 6:29am |
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I use and sell Stanadyne performance formula in everything, all the time!! Excellent product. helps keep seals from drying out and shrinking also!
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 6:53am |
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filtered drain oil works wonders on my cummins.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 6:57am |
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I use used motor oil from my truck or 2 stroke oil in a 03 cummins
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 7:00am |
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I use 2 stroke in every thing thats a diesel the recomendations are 1 oz per gallon I dont measure just guestimate this really is about common sence if it works for high rpm air cooled aluminum pistion chainsaws and motor cycles as the only sorce of lubrication it will work on your diesel injection system which is mostly aluminum. Its also more effective than most products and most of all one of the least expensive.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 7:24am |
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Injpump ED, you interested in selling and shipping some Stanadyne to me? What size containers does it come in and what is the cost. I currently use Howes, do you use the Stanadyne the same way? Thanks, Darrel
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 7:46am |
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I use Howes also in my 1993 Dodge Cummins
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 11:18am |
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I use 2 stroke oil added to the fuel in my '92 F 250 and it sure makes that ol' diesel run quieter and smoother.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 12:08pm |
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Injpump ED, you interested in selling and shipping some Stanadyne to me? What size containers does it come in and what is the cost. I currently use Howes, do you use the Stanadyne the same way? Thanks, Darrel |
we have pints which treat 60 gal for 8.72 each, or case of 12. or 1/2 gal jugs are 30.36 each, treat 250 gal, and come in cases of 6. pm me for pricing by the case. I could drop ship it to you from warehouse. thanks, Ed.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 5:19pm |
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I use the Stanadyne fuel treatment too. I think it helps all diesel engs cause the fuel is not good today, almost as dry as gasoline. The BG stuff is real good too, just cannt seem to get a good deal on it. My injection pump guys make me a good deal on the Stanadyne treatment.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 6:03pm |
Used engine oil or tranny fluid works great , anything to lube it a little
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 6:51pm |
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good luck with ATF. Yes, a high detergent oil, cleans great! BUT, it is not meant to be burned in an engine, plus the red dye will land a nice fine if sampled!
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Posted: 25 Mar 2011 at 7:02pm |
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Cen-Pe-Co PowerKleen is what I use, sorry ed. Stuff can be used year round acts also as anti-gel product. Hey Ed we have to keep a bottle handy this summer for some people to see us putting it in a certain fuel tank...LOL!!! I have seen the actual lab results from our salesman, Cen-Pe-Co and Stanadyne have the best characteristics of extra lubrication protection Power service was one of the worst
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Posted: 26 Mar 2011 at 7:58am |
Thanks everyone for your inputs on Diesel lubricants. Here is a tally of how many are using which lubricant:
2 cycle oil - 6
Filtered used oil - 3
Stanadyne - 2
Howes - 2
Cen Pe Co powerkleen -1
Lucas - 1
ATF - 1
I found some Howes at my local farm&fleet yesterday. Going to give it a try.
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Posted: 26 Mar 2011 at 8:29am |
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been using B100 , pure bio made from cooking oil , makes my 6. and 7.3 run smoother, but cant use it in the winter.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 10:14pm |
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Stanadyne works great for me
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Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 4:43pm |
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I use lucas, plus cetane booster. Think that stuff's called Diesel Klean or something like that. I can just pick up lucas at NAPA and the diesel stuff from walmart. Every now and then I'll throw a little bit of seafoam in as well.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 5:46pm |
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My diesel tractor,(not Allis) sorry), has had nothing but sumped Jet A in it since I bought it. I ad 2 cycle oil to every fill up. 3yrs so far and no problem. I would hate to have to ad an additive to already expensive stuff though. I don't mind it when the fuel is free.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 7:36pm |
I hear that adding about 2% bio-diesel to the low sulfur diesel works wonders for the lubricity. This works out to about 26 ounces bio-diesel for every 10 gallons of low sulfur diesel. I would have to drive about an hour from the house to get it. Of course, I don't own a diesel tractor yet. All mine are "gasers". Sure wish the ethanol in gas was good for old tractors. Anyway y'all might enjoy the attached document that looks at the benefits of different diesel additives. uploads/2521/Diesel_fuel_additive_test.pdf
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Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 8:14pm |
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That's actually interesting that the lucas made it worse. Guess I'll stick to the diesel kleen and the occasional sea foam then. might even add some oil in there too....
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Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 8:23pm |
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I agree with Ed on the dipstick for dye test. Be careful with the ATF.
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Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 8:45pm |
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Mooboy, thanks for sharing the test results from the August 2007 - The Diesel Place & Arlen Spicer copyright. It is extremely interesting. Since its been over 3.5 years ago that this study was completed, do you think fuel lubricity quality has decreased even more? Seeing the test results has prompted me to inquire about what lubricant my local fuel coop is using. I know they gave me some used 50 gallon barrels that I could use for collection of my used oil. As a complimentary service each year, they offer a free drop-off - collection of used oil. Anyway, one of their 50 gallon barrels they gave me was clearly labelled as "Primrose." I see that is the worst additive on this study's results. The 2% SoyPower oil looks wonderful. Do you think that EH Wolf & Sons in Slinger, WI would sell their SoyPower direct to me or anyone else? I wonder how soyoil would do in the winter?
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Posted: 29 Mar 2011 at 7:52pm |
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The soypower is bio-diesel fuel that can be used in 100% concentration just like any other diesel fuel. So it really is not an additive although can be used like one to improve lubricity of regular low sulfur diesel. I don't know if all bio-diesel has the same effect, or if all bio-diesel is soypower. I have to wonder if Co-Op farm fuel here in Tennessee has lubricity additives already added. Just don't know much about this subject just what I read.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2011 at 6:54am |
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Have to be careful with ATF.....Some Trans fluids contain friction modifiers for the clutch packs, injection pumps wont like these very much.....
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