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1946WP 
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 8:51pm |
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How do you put sleeve in without ruining them on a c or b allis? I've done it before by just lube them up w/ vaseline. Twist them a little, tap a little & they went in. Today I messed up two of them , so I quit for tonite.
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1946WP
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 8:53pm |
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Wow I'm talking about the O-rings, not the sleeves themself.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 8:56pm |
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Most of the time, seals get messed up like that when there is a "burr" or something in the way. Make sure all is clean and clear. Maybe the seal is the wrong size, packaged wrong?
And some days things don't go well when I get tired and in a hurry. Tomorrow it might fit right together!
Good luck!
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 9:03pm |
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Can also try assembling with vegetable oil. It won't cause the o-rings to swell up like petroleum based lubricants can.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 12:58pm |
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Hurst is right on, don`t use petrolium based lube on the o-rings
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Dick L
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Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 1:28pm |
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You may have to tight of a fit. You need to have enough clearance to drop the sleeve down in the hole and turn it 360 degrees with one hand. The O ring must have some clearance/space to keep from shearing off part of it. The bottom hole needs to have a slight chamfer to let the O ring start to enter.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 1:48pm |
I remember having to run a rabbit turd hone on the sleeve seal areas on my CA engine to get rid of rust, burrs, and proper fit like Dick says. 15 years later it's still going strong...
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Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 1:52pm |
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Yeah,don't forget to "dry fit "them first.If it won't drop in and spin freely you got some more cleaning to do.My 45 block had small champfer leading to bores.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 2:28pm |
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I have used dish soap as the lube for them, the groove where they seal needs to be cleaned out very well, I use a small wire wheel attached to a small air grinder then wash them out good with some brake cleaner.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 2:31pm |
We had some once that were made too big and would not fit! The first two tore up and we quit. Turns out they were for a stock sleve and not the eighth inch overbore. Got the right ones and they pressed right in
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 7:47am |
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thanks guys for all the advise. left the project a few days & things went alot better. I have to get new o-rings for the cycl that got ruuined . I used the veg oil & they tapped right in(with no pieces of O-ring left peeled off) . will do the other when I get the new O-rings.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 8:48am |
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you guys dont suggest vasaline on the o-rings? i am getting close to putting the engine back together on the wd45.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 9:12am |
I used veg oil on my D262 sleeve o-rings. Vaseline is petroleum based. I'd use veg oil if I were you. Not saying Vaseline won't work, but the ordinary veg oil works very well.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 9:13am |
My wife has a tube of stuff in her night stand that works wonders to get the O ring seals to slip in place. It is water based.
If you get black greese on the tube don't put it back in the drawer.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 9:45am |
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So is there now a tube in both the night stand and the tool box? LOL
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 12:11pm |
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 2:16pm |
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When I rebuilt my WD45 Distillate, I put the new sleeves in the freezer over night and they went in much easier. Hard to get the wife to agree to that if they aren't spotless, but then these were new and I did not tell her. I used the freezer in the garage.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 3:02pm |
Freezing them would help by giving you a wider gap for the O ring to enter but if you (can not) turn them (freely) all the way down with the O rings off and freeze them to get them in you (take a chance) of cracking the top sleeve ring/lip when you torque the head down. This is when you find one side of the sleeve higher above the deck than the other side. Cast iron sleeves do not flex much.
Freezing is for installing (dry sleeves) and people get mixed up between the two when they have not been around both and tend to give bad advise. I am baffled at how many people I run across that do not know what a wet sleeved engine means. A GM trained mechanic that had worked on cars for many years was totally in disbelief that my 1923 Chevy had shimmed rod bearings that had the shims were between the rods and caps.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 3:08pm |
 Dick L wrote:
My wife has a tube of stuff in her night stand that works wonders to get the O ring seals to slip in place. It is water based.
If you get black greese on the tube don't put it back in the drawer.
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Now I know why my wife has taken an interest in working on trctors! LOL
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 3:13pm |
John (C-IL) wrote:
Dick L wrote:
My wife has a tube of stuff in her night stand that works wonders to get the O ring seals to slip in place. It is water based.
If you get black greese on the tube don't put it back in the drawer.
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Now I know why my wife has taken an interest in working on trctors! LOL |
Ya' know, I was going to respond to Dick's post about that, but I just saw me getting me in trouble! LOL
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Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 3:53pm |
I don't know why I'm not offended because I really should be. I let you in on a little (secret) and I bet it is being shared with everyone. It's only a secret if you keep it to yourselves yaknow. Ya go telling your wives and they will be looking thru their night stands for greasy finger prints.
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