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allisman3 
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Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 7:56pm |
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Whats the better tractor
170d or 180d
Considering power and fuel economy.
I figure someone would have an opinion.
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Allisman3
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Charlie175
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Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 8:17pm |
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180
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Charlie
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TexasAllis
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 8:03am |
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Yep 180.
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Stan IL&TN
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 8:25am |
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I think that's like asking "what is better finding $170 or finding $180?" DUH!
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boscoe
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 8:31am |
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I put 170 engine in my D17 and I dont notice any difference I think its about 6-8 hp more? same 226. . I have never driven a 180, 170 is a newer version of D17? why is 180 so much better?
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1959 D 17 gas , 1964 190 gas, 1965 190xt gas AC 4bottom slat plow, 6 row 30in #72 planter Im not getting bigger my cloths are just getting smaller.
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Pat the Plumber CIL
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 9:39am |
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6 cylinders vs 4, Bigger is not always better but sometimes it is.
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You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails
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allisrutledge
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 9:49am |
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Economy 170,Power 180 It all depends on what you expect to do with the tractor.
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Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns
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Claus
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 9:59am |
If I were going to buy a 180 I would buy a 185. All of the 170, 175, 180 and 185s are good tractors, the one thing the 170 and 175 have over the 180 and 185 is the "Big Stick", smoother than the lever on the 180 and 185. You sit a little higher on the 180 and 185, I think that would be a good thing, as it is hard to see around the 517 loader on my 170. 
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 10:41am |
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Try feathering the torque on a 180 while looking behind you to the right while baling hay. that would be my only complaint on a 180. I got to use a turboed 175D all year baling so I got spoiled. I always wanted a 170,175 with the 226. I think it would be neat to listen to the "W" engine in a modern tractor. I'd take them both but the 170 would work better for me than the 180.
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Charlie175
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 10:59am |
I just find the 170/175 hard to from the seat. The 180/185 sit you up much higher plus you don't have the transmission between your legs. I agree the Older style hand clutch is easier to use than the hydraulic ones.
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Charlie
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Eric[IL]
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 11:03am |
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Both are great tractors. I would have to agree about the smoothness of the 170/175 "big stick" vs the hydraulic actuated power diverter level on the 180/185s. I have oftened wondered why AC did not install a 301 diesel engine in front of the 170/175 "big stick" rear end and offer it as a 176? Is there any differences between the 170/175 & the 180/185 rear ends besides the power diverter?
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TexasAllis
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 12:02pm |
 Claus wrote:
If I were going to buy a 180 I would buy a 185. All of the 170, 175, 180 and 185s are good tractors, the one thing the 170 and 175 have over the 180 and 185 is the "Big Stick", smoother than the lever on the 180 and 185. You sit a little higher on the 180 and 185, I think that would be a good thing, as it is hard to see around the 517 loader on my 170.
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Good picture and nice set up Claus.
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Claus
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 12:18pm |
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Thanks!
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 12:31pm |
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There is no better tractor than any AC Tractor on this earth!!
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allisman3
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 8:29pm |
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Thanks for the posts everyone.
I would have to agree with claus about the "big stick" on the 170 being my
preference. Don't know why allis abandoned it.
I would say the engines are both awesome to sit behind.
I have no experience with the 180 but have spent some hours behind our
170d. It is a great haying tractor. Hope the 301 is as good on fuel
as the perkins.... probably will have to keep the 301 under the throttle stop...LOL.
Will be hooked up to our "new" deutz 2.5gp baler this spring. Can't wait...
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wekracer
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 8:41pm |
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i HAVE NOTICED THAT THE HAND CLUTCH ON THE 175 IS A LOT HARDER TO ENGAGE THAN A D17. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IT REQUIRES HEAVIER SPRINGS TO HANDLE THE EXTRA POWER AND IT WAS TOO HARD TO ENGAGE ON THE 180/185. MY GUESS IS THAT'S WHY THEY WENT WITH THE HYDRAULIC ACTUATOR. KIND OF LIKE AIR BRAKES. NOT AS SMOOTH BUT GETS THE JOB DONE A LOT BETTER.
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Claus
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 8:46pm |
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If your hand clutch is a lot harder to engage I would think either it needs adjusting or things were worn out on your D17, just my opinion.
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Dale
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 9:00pm |
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I think you'll like the deutz baler. Mine just keeps on baling and baling and baling. It's never let me down.
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