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Matt Z 
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 9:13pm |
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Hey, My 96' Suburban wont start. Anyone ever use charcoal to heat there vehicle up? I am looking for some tips on doin so. I am pretty sure I have frozen fuel somewhere. It has been very low on gas for 2 months in this Wisconsin cold without being fired. She just dont want to pop today. I put heet in and some fresh gas. Thanks orange army!
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Allen Dilg
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 9:20pm |
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Hello Matt Just wait another day was near 40 here today warm weather comming!!
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E7018
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 9:30pm |
I have used a steel hog pan full of charcoal to heat an engine. Not in a vehicle, though.
If there is no wind or you get the wind blocked, there is a lot of heat in charcoal. It takes quite awhile. I have seen it used most when a truck is stuck and can't be plugged in to restart. Or under a dozer engine that has no provision of an engine heater. And sitting way out away from anything. Be careful of fire.
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Dave A
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 10:07pm |
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Yea I can tell you all about what happens when the oils on the engine start to heat up and drip onto the pan of charcoal.
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 10:19pm |
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I used kero and corn cobs when I tried grinding cattle feed one day and found the water in the gearbox of the old burr mill wouldn't let the gears turn at -5F. It only took a 1/2 hour of monkeying around. Might take a little longer to thaw out a fuel system and then you might get your name on the news if you have to have a fire truck come and cool things off. Be kinda like putting frozen wood on top of the stove to thaw them out.
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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 10:21pm |
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I would think it would be safer to use a torpedo heater. My brother and I did this on his diesel truck that jelled up once. Through a big tarp over it, down to the ground on each side, and then put the torpedo heater in the front and let it exhaust out the back. Worked great and got the tank and the fuel lines without it building up too much heat underneath to cause any problems.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 10:31pm |
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i did a B Allis similar to Check. threw a tarp over it and a couple bricks to hold it down. set a 55 gallon barrrel by the carburetor and put a 1500 watt electric heater with small fan on the barrel. Went to eat supper and came back 60 minutes later and started it up.
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Brad-MN
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 10:58pm |
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A guy around here found out the hard way about this sort of thing a week or so ago. The guy's lucky there wasn't any wind that night because his truck was parked in front of his home while it was burning to the ground. Not a whole lot left in the morning when it was all said and done, pretty much just the box of the pickup and that's it.
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farmer0_1
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 11:04pm |
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my uncle allways told the story about an old mule on the farm that he butted heads with and one day the mule wouldn't move so he built a fire under it. as far as the charcoal i know otr drivers that have done it when the air lines for his brakes froze because of a little water in the lines. i would use a small electric heater. and i would keep an eye on it.
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Denis in MI
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 11:12pm |
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My grandfather used to start a small fire under his john deere 350 crawler that he used for skidding logs. He would use a oilly rag and a few twigs to heat the engine enough to get it started. He had no other options though the crawler was 50 miles from any kind of power source for any other type of heat.
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Dave A
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Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 6:53am |
Looking at a concret heating blanket for doing this can throw it on the ground when working out side.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 7:18am |
How about a couple of those Infrared heating lamps ? The 'chicken brooder' ones that keep water from freezing in the coops?
Gotta be a LOT safer !.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 7:26am |
Regulation of the heat source and a fire would be my first two concerns. After that members have mixed farm/construction equipment with automotive, you have a lot more micro wiring, relays and sensors on your 1996 truck than other equipment. I think you will have to monitor the heat output of whatever type of heat source you use. Melting something can get very costly so be careful with your truck and good luck.
Danny
Edited by dannyraddatz - 13 Feb 2011 at 9:37am
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Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 8:16am |
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There was a story about this subject on the news just last week. Guys tried to use charcoal under the oil pan of a truck in a landfill. They not only burnt the truck to the ground, they managed to catch the whole landfill on fire. Seems to me they had several fire departments on scene to put out the landfill fire. I would look for a way that didn't involve direct flame.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 9:17am |
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One gas leak, even vapor could cause a fire.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 9:19am |
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I remember farmers trying to start tractors in cold weather with various heat sources and burning the tractor or the barn up.Also be careful of Torpedo heaters as a neighbor burnt his House down while trying to thaw frozen water pipes in a crawl space with a Torpedo heater.The best way is tow the vehicle to a heated garage or barn.My Veterinarian showed up one morning with the grill of his diesel pick up melted.When asked how it happened he admitted to not plugging the truck block heater in and had to use a Torpedo heater to blow heat onto the engine for starting.I told him if it was me I would bust the rest of the grill out and tell everyone I hit a deer.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 9:23am |
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If you've been using E10 gas, your gas lines aren't frozen. Something else is going on.
Remember that you are basically dealing with fire when you're putting charcoal under a vehicle.
Edited by 427435 - 13 Feb 2011 at 9:24am
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Posted: 13 Feb 2011 at 1:03pm |
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Dave (Mid Mi) that was at a landfill 50 miles from me. When I saw the post today that immediately came to mind. I believe it was about -40 there that day. Wasn't much left of the front of that truck. Hadn't heard what they thought started it, perhaps a fuel line started dripping. Hate to have to respond to fire in that kind of weather.
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