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AllisFreak MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1554 |
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Is it foolish of me to buy a 2500 dollar combine for only farming 35 acres of land? It is a nice older Gleaner M that I would love to have but I am having trouble pulling the trigger because of the small acreage I have available. What should I do? I have been renting the land out but I was born and raised on a farm, have always wanted to farm again and this is my chance, even though it is on a small scale. I have a full time job in town so this is just a sideshow. I already have 3 A-C tractors, a JD press drill, an IH 4 bottom plow, a 13 foot disc, a 4 section drag, an A-C mower conditioner, a Nwe Holland 273 square baler, a New Holland 850 round baler, a New holland 56 rake, 3 hay racks and a JD 800 swather. It seems like I'm in so deep now I might as well buy the combine and a couple gravity boxes and have it over with. Any advice would be appreciated. Sorry for the long post.
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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2
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Denis in MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Norvell, MI Points: 832 |
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Of course your not, because if you are than I would have to be, I have 13 allis's and even more in different colors and don't really farm any ground but I hope to start this spring.
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1938 B, 1945 B, 1941 IB, 1949 C, 2 1938 WCs, 3 1950 WDs, 1951 WD, 2 1955 WD45, 1957 D-14
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GBACBFan ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Green Bay WI Points: 2662 |
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I believe your approach to be correct. Being frugal, buying good, used equipment and easing into it is smart. If you change your mind, you can liquidate with a zero or minimum loss. |
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GlenninPA ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ashley, PA Points: 5054 |
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If it is just a sideshow for you, you willl need the machine to get your havest in in the limited time you have.
It is romantic to play with the small All Crops, but if you have grain in the field and only a day of decent weather, you better be able to get it done.
You are not going to get rich on 35 acres, but if you utilize Section 179 instead of depreciation, you can turn a profit in years 2-7, which is what Uncle Sam wants to see. (oh yeah, Mother Nature and the market have to hold up their end of it too, but that's farming!)
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Sandknob ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Oblong, IL Points: 2456 |
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Nope not at all. I just bought a M2 for not much more than that. Still need to go pick it up sometime. I farm about the same amount of ground as you, but have a couple of chances in the next couple of years to grow some.
Adam
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arkfisher ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Location: Sardis, AR Points: 128 |
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I saw one on craigslist near Kansas City, MO earlier today...here's the link. Looks to be in good shape...wish I was closer, I'd own this one. Here's the link
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Do your own preparation, planting, cultivating or spraying, but hire the harvest. The maintenance on the combine will cost more per year than the cost of custom combining and hauling.
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Clay ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Udall, Kansas Points: 9548 |
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We have a CII. Our repairs/maintenance bills are usually very small.
Oil and oil filter Oil for the air cleaner Grease Oil for hydraulic (about a pint per season) Finger guards (sometimes get by without any needing replaced but keep a dozen on hand) Our CII is on propane and fairly easy on fuel. I keep the combine in a machine shed and it is thoroughly cleaned and blow out before it is stored. Once a month, the combine is started and allowed to run for approx 30 minutes. The separator is run for several minutes also. This helps keep the battery charged, engine exercised and separator exercised. On rare occasion, I have custom cut for neighbors when they break down and are in a real bind. Edited by Clay - 21 Jan 2011 at 11:01pm |
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HagerAC ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Location: SE MN Points: 1189 |
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If you can get a little custom work to make up for upkeep and maintenance it would be well worth it. We only farm about 100 acres, and we bought a nice F2 for nearly 5K a few years ago, and we also do about 50 acres of custom harvesting which helps quite a little, and makes it more comforting to own a combine. The maintenance and repair costs on these combines is very little if they have been keep good care of, we rarely have trouble with ours. I would say go ahead and buy it.
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30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52
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denwic ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Oct 2010 Location: NC Points: 29 |
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Unless you have somebody close that would do your harvesting, I'd get it, they's no better or funner job farming than runnin a combine in corn.
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Roddo ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Location: Brant, Ontario Points: 466 |
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I think you will enjoy it as long as your machine is in good shape. Get one that has had a bad life and you will be fixing more than combining.
Dad and I bought a 75 Deere 4400 just this year and it ran like a top. It was a hoot to do it all for ourselves for a change. At the rates here for a custom job that machine will be paid for next year. Cant beat that. nd it feels great to dump the first bin of your own harvest. |
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Matt (NEIA) ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Butler Co. IA Points: 168 |
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around here it is about $20 dollars an acre to combine, seems expensive but if you can't do your own repairs and have to ever send you combine to the shop look out! you'll farm the next 5 years after that just to pay the repair bill but with that said i'd buy it, i farm 7 acres (with chance at more if i want) and am looking at gettting an older combine for giggles
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1955 WD-45 with factory PS
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BobHnwO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Jenera Ohio Points: 693 |
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Buy it!!
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Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow.
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PBSoMd ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: California Md Points: 232 |
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To me, the real question is "can you afford it?" If so, don't try to justify it because if you are like most of us, it never works!
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JK(IN) ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Points: 23 |
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I say buy it as well. Heck I was told 15 years ago that we couldn't afford to own a combine for 200 acres. We bought a good used machine back then and still have it. We have had to make several repairs over the years, but nothing over the top. As long as your drive train is sound you can figure out the rest. The thing we always liked was being able to harvest when it was right, not when it was convenient for someone else to come in and do it for us.
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Rogers ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Georgia Points: 2176 |
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If you can afford it, and you want it. Buy it. It will make you happy. That is the bottom line not whether your need can justify having it. Heck, on another level think about it how may of us wouldn't have the truck we have now if we had asked do we really need it or can I make my old one last a little while longer. It really boils down to being able to afford what you want. If so then I think you should buy! That's just my thoughts.
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Think for yourself and be your own expert. Be willing to change your mind; however, willingness to change your mind doesn’t mean that you will. Blindly following any path is the pinnacle of insanity.
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Oldoug ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 1121 |
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I own a A-C One-Ninety, a four bottom plow, 13 1/2 foot disc, and I'm wanting to buy my Grandpa's old A II combine someday. The only land I own is the 50 X 175 foot lot that my house sits on, so if you think your foolish then I'm really foolish...lol. I'd say go for it.
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Matt Folkers
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Fred ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 28 Jul 2010 Location: Laurel Delaware Points: 48 |
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A very wise and successful man once told me that he never regretted what he bought but only regretted what he did not buy.
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Eric[IL] ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 485 |
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Amen to Fred's comment.
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Steve M C/IL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Location: shelbyville IL Points: 691 |
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Buy it.When dad turned the rains over we had about 20A of each corn wheat beans.I said can't own a machine for this acreage.After a couple years of waiting for hired combine to get my stuff out(not necessarily timely) I figured I could afford an old Gleaner.For $1200 a year it would soon pay off and I figured I could put that much a year in it and still be even if not ahead.Do your upgrades in the off seaon so you can get through the next harvest.Sure there's unexpected break downs but that's life.If you can't fix stuff yourself....that might change the story.
In reguards to Geralds advice;With your "real" job,you'd be ahead to hire the spraying.These days the ag suppliers have the ability to get stuff applied in a timely manner with quality equipment.Killing weeds on time can make a BIG difference in what you harvest. Edited by Steve M C/IL - 22 Jan 2011 at 10:34am |
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Chris(WA) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Renton, WA Points: 228 |
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Go for it! I would in a heartbeat!
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Washingtonian by choice, Wisconsin Farmboy by the grace of God!
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5851 |
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I think most would qualify you as a 'hobby' farmer... simply because you have a primary source of income, and this ain't it... that being the case, you don't hafta justify the operational and maintenance costs for any reason... and of course, if you get to the point where you can't pull your own corn, hire it done. 35 acres USED to be quite a bit, but mechanization has made it small. You're trying to justify purchase of a machine amidst a 'hobby'... the justification is unnecessary past the fact that youv'e got money in your pocket and interest to warrant having it. I've got two WC's, two B's, a WD, and a Cub LoBoy, and the only one I really CAN justify having is the D-17... don't ask me about my machine-shop equipment, boats, guitars, or HAM radio equipment... ;-)
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427435 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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An old combine will need TLC-------especially if it hasn't been shedded. You should also have a shed to keep it in going forward. You will also need to learn how to adjust it.
Economically, you might be better off having a neighbor custom combine for you----------but that wouldn't be as much fun!! |
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Mark
B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
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Rogers ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Georgia Points: 2176 |
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Fred, your passing on words of wisdom!
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Think for yourself and be your own expert. Be willing to change your mind; however, willingness to change your mind doesn’t mean that you will. Blindly following any path is the pinnacle of insanity.
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JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 33922 |
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35ac X 4$corn X 100 bu = $14,000
35ac X 4$corn X 180 bu = $25200
35ac X 6$corn X 180 bu = $37800
35ac X 12bean X 45 bu = $18900
35ac X 9org.blcorn X 90 = $28350
35ac X 18$orgbean X 45 = $28350
minus all the inputs costs expenses, + degree of capabilities to attain max growth/quality and add in marketing skills.... if its suppose to be, 35 could turn into 75, 350 or 3500 . By now you would need bigger better equipment LOL
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Spraying is an area that doing your own pays very much and a small sprayer for 6 or 8 rows isn't expensive to build. Then you get the crop sprayed when it needs it, more often that waiting for a custom sprayer and you run over less crop, providing you are comfortable with the product being sprayed. I'll spray glyphosate, but not some others so I pick my project.
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Don(MO) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bates City MO. Points: 6862 |
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I don't have a lot of land but I got An old A just to have the fun of picking my corn. Don't spend a lot of $$$ on the old gal but she is a ball to run and I have had a crowd show up just to watch it run and I can get the corn out when I think it's ready not when someone has time to do it. So after all my babbling BUY IT!
Don
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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mtanut ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: sandy lake, pa Points: 545 |
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We bought an old A2 this year, rates here are 30-40 an acre. Last year half my crop went out the back of some one else's machine, this year we controlled it. Figured for what I paid for the combine, did a couple minor repairs, gas etc we broke even. Best part is on a small scale you can harvest at your convince. Guy I bought it from bought another machine but still used this one for his oats and I did mine and my buckwheat. I figured the old A2 covered about 70 acres this year. Do what suits you and have fun.
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Dale ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Points: 375 |
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Nothing like being in control of your own harvest. In a moment of ??? I bought an old M-M 3490 self propelled combine with a Scour Kleen. Parked it in the shed as a shed ornament. This year had a weed infested barley field (why-its a long story). First 1/4 bin of JD combine and more green weed seeds than gold. Figured on writing off field. Light went on-spent 2 days getting the MM operational and a way I went. Never missed a beat, paid for itself first season. If no major repairs and doing the minor ones yourself its a clear win.
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AllisFreak MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1554 |
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Thank you all for the responses. It looks like a resounding yes to buying the combine. That's what I wanted to hear! My wife says you guys are enablers LOL! Now I just need a way to transport it home as it is 4 hours away. She is a beauty though, always shedded it's entire life, never ran anything through it but wheat and barley, 301 diesel with newly rebuilt injector pump.
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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2
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