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    Posted: 18 hours 51 minutes ago at 9:57pm
I started working on a CA I dragged home last summer - engine was loose, but missing distributor, nasty carb and gas tank, all tires shot, etc. Definitely a project with a lot of unknowns. This '52 that ran and had great rear tires came up at a local auction. I test drove it and figured if I could buy it for the price of new tires it was a no-brainer and here I am. The hand clutch seems to work and I didn't have any rear weights yet.

The float stuck so badly when I tried to start it to load it on my trailer that it wouldn't start. It dumped gas everywhere. Winched it on and did get it started again at home. It'll need at least a carb rebuild, fluids, and some other TLC. The starter makes an awful clashing noise sometimes... maybe the pinion doesn't always fully engage so that needs looked into as well. I'm looking forward to setting up a cultivator and building a mounted planter to do 15" rows. I might have to put a WFE on it for that.

One thing I was not sure about: when I let the clutch pedal out in neutral, the engine lugs down a little and the tractor drives forward an inch or two, then acts like it should in neutral. Do I have a bearing going out somewhere in the trans, or something else? My other tractors don't do this even with cold oil, but I haven't driven a CA before.






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youi may have oil on the clutch plates and its dragging a little when put to neutral... When you take the starter out, get a weed sprayer full of laundry soap and water.. soak the clutch and throwout good... let it set and flush with a garden hose...
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1953 WD45 WF/Model 90 Loader, Oxnard Rear Blade, 80R Mower, Model 209 Disc, WD Rear Mounted Scoop, Model 184 & 160 Rotary Mowers, 1952 CA NF/L306CA mower, 1953 CA WF/Model 8 Loader.
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Serial number of my CA.
1953 WD45 WF/Model 90 Loader, Oxnard Rear Blade, 80R Mower, Model 209 Disc, WD Rear Mounted Scoop, Model 184 & 160 Rotary Mowers, 1952 CA NF/L306CA mower, 1953 CA WF/Model 8 Loader.
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

youi may have oil on the clutch plates and its dragging a little when put to neutral... When you take the starter out, get a weed sprayer full of laundry soap and water.. soak the clutch and throwout good... let it set and flush with a garden hose...

What would cause it to want to move forward when in neutral though - the transmission gears shouldn't be engaged whether or not the engine clutch has rust or oil on it and is dragging, correct?

For example, I start the tractor in neutral with the clutch pedal in, then let off the clutch pedal after say 5-10 seconds, and it inches forward a tad and lugs the engine down slightly. I have not touched the gearshift.
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Originally posted by rustyorange45 rustyorange45 wrote:

Serial number of my CA.

So the rest of the forum isn't confused, ha - we had a PM conversation and it turns out we have CAs that are consecutive serial numbers. This tractor is CA17716.
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your right john.. when in neutral it should not try to move.. I was thinking with the clutch pushed IN while in gear..... When the clutch is engaged and trans is in neutral, the TOP SHAFT is spinning, but should not have any gears engaged..  Maybe slop or bad detent in the shift lever ??  Dont see how a TRANS bad bearing would do it..... does the PTO work OK without noise ? ... does having the PTO engaged have any effect of the "try to move" ?


what im wondering is if there is a problem with a bearing or ?? in the PTO ...the lever should be disengagning it from the spinning top shaft.




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What kinda lube is in it? I'd say it's just drag from gears on shafts trying to turn pinion.
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

What kinda lube is in it? I'd say it's just drag from gears on shafts trying to turn pinion.

That is a good point. I checked the dipstick and it smells like gear oil. Gotta change that out to the right fluid and see if it makes a difference. Still seems like it shouldn't go forward as strongly as it does even if it's due to thick heavy oil.

Other Steve - will check on the PTO, hydraulic, etc. operation after I get the carb cleaned up.

I would have thought if the shifter/forks/etc. were worn or not in the right spot I'd more likely get some grinding... but maybe not. Maybe it's just applying a little bit of pressure on something, then with the thick oil it actually transmits enough power to move a bit?
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If it hasn't been run in awhile probably the drive shaft inside the flywheel is a little rusty
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

What kinda lube is in it? I'd say it's just drag from gears on shafts trying to turn pinion.

That was my first thought as well; cold, sticky 90 wt can transfer a fair amount of viscous drag motion. The design of the CA transmission has the countershaft right down there in the oil and directly connected to the pinion rather than having the power flow back up to the mainshaft like a 'normal' transmission.
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It definitely has what smells like gear oil in the rear end. I will be draining that out. The carb is off and I'm starting to go through it. I don't think it will need much other than needle/seat and possibly realigning the floats and setting height.

With the engine off, I messed around with the PTO and belt pulley shaft.
1. The belt pulley shaft spins freely no matter what. Turning the PTO shaft by hand does not turn the belt pulley shaft. Looking at the exploded parts view it looks like the belt pulley and PTO shaft should always turn together just like on my Bs and Cs. I presume some gear teeth are stripped or something worse in the belt pulley shaft.
2. Trans in neutral, clutch pedal held down, and PTO disengaged (again, ENGINE OFF) - I can freely turn the PTO shaft with my hand. Nothing else turns. That seems good other than the belt pulley isn't turning like mentioned above.
3. Trans in neutral, clutch pedal held down, but PTO lever engaged (engine off) - when hand turning the PTO shaft there is more drag as you would expect, since you're turning things in front of the PTO shaft now, but the rear wheels rotate slightly. They are clearly not meshed completely in but the wheels will sort of surge slightly, almost feeling like the hand clutch being disengaged on a WD/WD45 in cold oil and still creeping a little from the drag, if that makes sense.

I think I'll be pulling the PTO/BP/hyd pump housing and taking a look inside.
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