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185 Power Director slipping.

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    Posted: Yesterday at 6:33am
I noticed while moving round bales that the P/D is slipping in high on my 185. Can stop the tractor with the brakes, low is holding fine for now at least. Further inquiry found the hydraulic fluid low. Filled it up, low again the next day, great. I assume the tractor will have to be split to fix the seals. My question is, are the two problems related? Would low fluid level cause the P/D to slip in high? 

This is a really nice original tractor that I depend on, want to fix it right.
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Check your pressure in both hi and low on the power director valve before you do anything else. If pressure is good then you know it’s in the power director itself probably broken plates are floating inside the power director or overheated them with lack of oil possibly
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And yes a split is required to replace the seals   You could run a hose out of the drains to both housings and equalize the oil levels to get by this has been discussed on this forum before. You have a great tractor probably my most favorite all around tractor
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Fix it right and it'll outlast you.
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I would think for the Power Director pressure to be affected by a low oil level, your power steering would have been wonky too. Fill her up with oil and see what it does. Oil transfer (if there is any) will be worse in HIGH range. Oil transfer problem should have the transmission/differential somewhat overfull.
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Originally posted by Tenn allis Tenn allis wrote:

And yes a split is required to replace the seals   You could run a hose out of the drains to both housings and equalize the oil levels to get by this has been discussed on this forum before. You have a great tractor probably my most favorite all around tractor

I did the bypass hose deal on a 180 I had ran it another 25 years and then sold it about 5 years ago and its still going strong.
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Doc, I filled her up with oil one day then she sat until the next. Hydraulic oil was low again and transmission was high. Steering seems normal.

Thanks for the help guys.


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This is kind of a long story, but sort of related. We hauled all of our hay in this fall using my one ninety gas to load out in the field, and the XT diesel at home unloading them. Both have bale spears and really works well. Not too far into the project, the XT got to where it would no longer tilt the bale back. About the same time, we had issue with it going through more hydraulic oil then normal. Technically, it shouldn't have been taking any, because the loaders really don't leak much, just a very small seep here and there. My son checked the transmission/rear end oil level, and it was high, and had a green tint to it, which told us where the hydraulic oil was going, since we use cenex quick lift hydraulic oil, which is green. Thought the worst, but didn't totally freak out, and had a day or two of not hauling hay to think about it. Was fixing to put an equalizer tube between the compartments just to get the hay hauled, then split it. But thankfully, I didn't get that done. In the meantime, we addressed the issue of the not being able to tilt the bale back. We came to the conclusion that one of the tilt cylinders on the loader had to be bad. I had two good cylinders in the shop, so we swapped em out. After the swap, my son started it up and ran it, and obviously filling the new cylinders with oil took a lot of oil. So he shut it off, and pulled out the hydraulic oil dipstick/fill cap, and I heard some swearing come from him. I asked him what happened, and he said that it was pressured up and blew a little oil on him. I new immediately what the problem was. I took the dipstick from him, and with a little air and lots of brake clean, I opened up the vent in the dipstick cap. We topped off the oil level, and unloaded another 400 bales over the next couple weeks and never added another drop of hydraulic oil. And the tilt function works too, it was easy to tell that the one cylinder was bad with an internal leak. But evidently, even though the hydraulic compartment was pressuring up and pushing oil into the rear end, it must not have blown out the seal, because everything is working is it should. But now, some brakes from Rick just showed up in the mail, and it'll get a brake job.
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