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D-15 Series 2 skipping

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    Posted: 14 hours 50 minutes ago at 4:18pm
Around Memorial Day, I found and bought a 1966 D-15 Series 2 (snap coupler). The guy I bought it from said his father bought the tractor new and he didn't think it ever spent a night outdoors. It had never had a loader on it and had 2780 (some) hours on it. It still has all original tires. The sheet metal is perfect on it, but the paint on the top of the gas tank is not very good. The rest of the paint is pretty good. It has a belt pulley and even the toolbox is in good shape.

Now the bad parts. He said the tractor had set in the toolshed for years. The battery was dead, so it never got started. He said it hadn't been started for 4 years. I think it may have been more. When they decided to sell it, they put a new battery in it and tried to start it but couldn't get any spark. (Several of you remember my post on the frustration of getting spark.) I paid, what I consider, too much for the tractor (especially with this problem)!

When I finally got spark, I had to rebuild the carburetor. When I got that done, it started right up but had a skip. I tried different plugs and wires and realized that cylinders 2 and 3 were the ones that were the problem. 

Finally, I ran a compression check (per DrAllis directions - WOT, fully charged battery and a battery charger on while doing the compression check). I got about 160 psi on both #1 and #4 cylinders, but low 60's on #2 and #3. My initial thought was that the rings are frozen to the piston on #2 and #3, so I removed all the plugs and hand squirted some ATF fluid in the cylinders. I let it sit for about 3 weeks and intermittently turned the engine slightly (by the belt pulley). Yesterday, I put some paper towels in the sparkplug holes and turned it over with the starter (to blow the oil out), then replaced the plugs and started it. HOLY SMOKE!

Unfortunately, it was still skipping and after about an hour of running, a compression check revealed practically the same readings as before.

Am I on the right tract, thinking the rings are stuck to the pistons? Is it possible the head gasket is bad between #2 AND #3 (engine does not overheat or have any steam from exhaust)? Any other thoughts or advice?
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It could be as easy as the valves need adjusted or are stuck. Pull the valve cover and take a look
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Originally posted by Allis dave Allis dave wrote:

It could be as easy as the valves need adjusted or are stuck. Pull the valve cover and take a look

I should have put in the post that I did take the valve cover off, checked the valve lash and all valves seem to be working as they should.


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head gasket could be blowing between 2 and 3 and not have a coolant leak ??
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Blown head gasket almost for sure. While taking it apart, check the valve lash and as long as there aren't any tight (#2 and #3) it's a blown head gasket. Best fix these days is use a G-149 gasket from a D-14 early D-15.  Could also be stuck valves on those two cylinders, but again while disassembling a good Tech would check for that before just ripping the cylinder head off.

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Could you connect an air line into #2 spark plug port ,...... 100 psi... and see what comes out #3 ??? ......... of course the valves would have to be Closed.

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I had it running with the valve cover off and the valves all seemed to be working right. I checked the (cold) valve lash. They were all very close to .015 .

I will pull the valve cover off again and turn the engine by hand and watch each individual valve. 

By the way Doc, I don't have "a good tech" - just me!
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

Could you connect an air line into #2 spark plug port ,...... 100 psi... and see what comes out #3 ??? ......... of course the valves would have to be Closed.

Great idea! I will try that.

Thank you all for the advice!!!
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I bought a D15 II that was like that. Blown head gasket. Make sure to get one that has fire rings on it. HTH Tracy
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

Could you connect an air line into #2 spark plug port ,...... 100 psi... and see what comes out #3 ??? ......... of course the valves would have to be Closed.

Beaten to the punch, a very basic form of leak down test. Proper way is with a set of gauges but with a problem as big as 100psi low on 2 cylinders you should be able to hear where the compression is going away.

First thought would be head gasket (air between #2 and #3 plug holes) but also listen at the exhaust, the intake and at the breather if it's not going between cylinders.
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