7010 stopped moving

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   My son was driving around the field just fine.  Stopped to adjust the cultivator to bring it back home.  Went from lo 4th to high 4th to drive on the road.  It started to move and then just stopped.  

No grinding of gears.  It feels like it is going into gear on both hi/lo and individual gears.  A few weeks ago, I bought a new clutch cable and installed it but the clutch pressure feels good so I don't think it has to do with that.  We have driven it quite a bit since changing the clutch cable.  

I don't know if this is meaningful but I can put the hi/lo and park shift lever into each gear without pushing on the clutch with the motor running.  While in gear, I did rev the motor up to see if it would even creep forward or backward but it does not move.  It does shake a bit when I rev the engine which may be meaningful.  I did check the transmission fluid and it has fluid showing on the dipstick.  

I find it really odd that it just stopped all of a sudden.  Nothing prior to this indicated there was any kind of transmission problem or anything going bad.  I need some ideas on how to debug this further.  This is a power director 16 speed.  

My first idea is that it has to do with hi/lo.  I changed the hi/lo cable two years ago so it is a new cable.  Because it started to move and stopped when he changed from hi to lo, makes me think it is hi/lo problem.  Could it be stuck in between hi/lo?  

Any help is appreciated!

Edited by calico190xt68 - 17 May 2025 at 6:06pm

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calico190xt68 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 855	Post Options Post Reply Quote calico190xt68 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 7010 stopped moving Posted: 17 May 2025 at 5:59pm
	My son was driving around the field just fine. Stopped to adjust the cultivator to bring it back home. Went from lo 4th to high 4th to drive on the road. It started to move and then just stopped. No grinding of gears. It feels like it is going into gear on both hi/lo and individual gears. A few weeks ago, I bought a new clutch cable and installed it but the clutch pressure feels good so I don't think it has to do with that. We have driven it quite a bit since changing the clutch cable. I don't know if this is meaningful but I can put the hi/lo and park shift lever into each gear without pushing on the clutch with the motor running. While in gear, I did rev the motor up to see if it would even creep forward or backward but it does not move. It does shake a bit when I rev the engine which may be meaningful. I did check the transmission fluid and it has fluid showing on the dipstick. I find it really odd that it just stopped all of a sudden. Nothing prior to this indicated there was any kind of transmission problem or anything going bad. I need some ideas on how to debug this further. This is a power director 16 speed. My first idea is that it has to do with hi/lo. I changed the hi/lo cable two years ago so it is a new cable. Because it started to move and stopped when he changed from hi to lo, makes me think it is hi/lo problem. Could it be stuck in between hi/lo? Any help is appreciated! Edited by calico190xt68 - 17 May 2025 at 6:06pm
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DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21458	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2025 at 7:32pm
	The most important question: does the power steering work?? YES or NO.

calico190xt68 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 855	Post Options Post Reply Quote calico190xt68 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2025 at 8:40pm
	Power Steering is NOT working. I turned tractor on and tried to turn the steering wheel right and left and it put up a lot of resistance and did not turn the front wheels. Does this imply that the hydraulic pump has failed? That would be way better than the power director failing. I can check the hydraulic fluid too. I don't see a leak though. I looked at the cables in the floor and they all work as expected and are attached. Edited by calico190xt68 - 17 May 2025 at 8:41pm
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DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21458	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2025 at 9:04pm
	The torque limiter on the flywheel has failed.

calico190xt68 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 855	Post Options Post Reply Quote calico190xt68 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2025 at 9:24pm
	That does not sound good. I assume the tractor has to be split? Can you buy a torque limiter? About what would that cost to fix if you were to do it?
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DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21458	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2025 at 11:38pm
	Tractor must be split just ahead of the cab. Costs vary depending on what one does. I usually replace the rear crankshaft seal and pull the Power Director clutch out and reseal it too. Flat rate labor for all that about 12 to 15 hrs. Or you could roll it apart and replace the T.L. clutch disc only and throw it back together. Labor then about 8 hrs and parts maybe $500 bucks ??. Haven't done one in a long time and after four years of nothing but inflation, I have no idea what parts cost anymore.

calico190xt68 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 855	Post Options Post Reply Quote calico190xt68 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Yesterday at 11:03am
	Thanks for that labor fix info. Since it is in front, you do not have to loosen the cab I take it? What kind of surprises me is that this torque limiter just went bad without showing any signs beforehand. I am used to having something kind of go bad slowly or at least start making some weird noises, or act differently. it went from working great to not moving at all. Agco is $175/hour but an Allis knowledgeable Indiana resource is more like $85-$100 an hour, I believe. Looking at the Agco site, there is a spring, plate and disk assembly available. Those 3 alone are about $1200.00 in total but not sure I need all of those parts. Sounds like at a minimum, I need the disk assembly which is about $500. I might as well have the crankshaft seal and PD seal replaced as you recommend. Probably going to be about $3,000 is my guess. Going to have to do it though. Tractor runs too good to not repair it. This is why we bought a 7020 tractor last year so we have a backup tractor that can pretty much do the same thing.
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PaulB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4951	Post Options Post Reply Quote PaulB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 6 hours 4 minutes ago at 6:46am
	Years ago I put a new clutch in what was then my Dad's 89 Dodge Diesel pick up, which I inherited. One day my wife was out in it ant it just quit as your 7010. The clutch was from South Bend Clutch and was a complete set up. at the time of failure there was probably less than 10,000 miles on it and the marking "Flywheel Side" was still readable on the lining. The driving center had torn from the disc. I contacted South Bend and inquired about warranty on the cheap "Made in China" disc that I'd gotten from them. Their claim was they didn't sell "Made in China" stuff, however "made in China was clearly stamped into the metal portion of the disc, which I sent them pictures of along with a picture of the failed driving collar. They would not stand behind there product. Needless to say I will NEVER use South Bend Clutch EVER again. Rick Corder sent me a disc that I put in, that was over 15 years ago.
	If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY