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Rusty Fuel Tank - treatment |
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41772 |
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My 715B tank was cleaned 2 years back using vinegar and looked good but now problem back with rust clogging the small pickup port .
Solid but rust is a problem as can't keep tank full all the time and it seems the mix of bio-diesel added to fuel now promotes moisture and rust . Local place says they can coat tank but when asked on price - quoted $450 and 2 year warranty . Wondering on what coating holds up to diesel . Few years back I bought a treatment for motorcycle tanks but have not used it . See several coating advertised and like most things they require a warm area to fully process and cure products . So might be a summer job when temp stays above 70F out Will clean tank with Inhibited HCL acid to prep then and go from there . Might also add a larger outlet to tank and a pre filter screen in case of debris in tank . Odd have had machine now for 30 years and only last 2 years has this become a problem . Wish there was a way to just plate the inside of the tank with zinc or copper but guess a coating is the way - if it stands up to the fuel . |
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 52602 |
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Likely an EPA reformulation of the fuel has changed how it reacts with the metal of the tank...
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KRAKMT ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 May 2010 Location: MT Points: 103 |
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I cleaned my tank by strapping it to a cement mixer, letting it turn over and over with stainless pins and stainless nuts of random sizes.
I removed a bunch of crud but I did not coat the inside. After I reinstalled and was running, I stopped in Napa for a part and next to the counter was a cart with fuel tank coating. Could have been a sign but I missed it. |
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Lee Bradley ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Location: Kingston, WA Points: 118 |
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Tank cleaning machine.
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41772 |
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Cleaning it is easy part , keeping it clean after is the hard thing
Need something to line the bare metal to keep the rust from reforming . |
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orangeman ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 1795 |
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Coke: Was sorting through Mil Specs. on this subject and came across this -https://www.scribd.com/doc/89939485/MIL-C-4556E probably no longer used as there is a mention of lead chromate. Wondering if there was an update that would be useful to protect the interior of diesel fuel tanks?
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41772 |
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Ran that link through WAYBACK MACHINE - Look up and it doesn't come up with article or site
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4856 |
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Just think about the nightmare you will have when that coating turns to glue and get all through your fuel system.
I've had that happen with a few professionally done gas tanks and would not even consider doing a diesel tank. I found a place locally that will solder coat a fuel tank. This works great for eliminating re-occurring rust. For a fuel tank that is square or rectangle hidden behind sheet metal it could be more cost effective to have an aluminum tank made, than the cost of cleaning and coating.
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41772 |
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Something I have been thinking is making on myself in stainless or seeing if a poly tank of right size and shape can be found .
A real pain to try to clean inside of tank to only have same problem return over and over . Reading some on coatings it seems flaking and adhesion problems occur as expansion / contraction from engine heat is a problem and as tank is mounted under hood and behind engine can be a problem with that happening . Not like a automotive or truck tank mounted out of engine compartment . |
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8070nc ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Location: North Carolina Points: 537 |
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Theres something different about the fuel. Im seeing the metal part in spin on fuel filters rusting. Never saw that before the last couple years in 50 years of running diesels. I think operators are going to have to get creative with larger opening in the tanks and larger lines and extra filters to be able to keep running equipment with metal tanks
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41772 |
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When I was hauling bean oil from processing plants in Iowa to refineries and tank farms for blending with diesel - it was said the bean oil was a great paint remover as well as other uses by itself . Unsure if it attracts and holds water but I know as sulphur content has been reduced in diesel and other GREEN IDEAS - the lubricity of what is sold as fuel has created problems , not only in on-road use but off-road as well .
Seems the diesel pumps used in automotive class pickups and lighter trucks has created a lot of problems and recalls . |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 83479 |
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I removed the sediment bowl on a backhoe... hole was 3/8 pipe thread .. screwed in a 2 inch long pipe, then a TEE out ot the side, then a 6 inch pipe below the TEE with a CAP on it.. Sludge / rust falls down to the bottom and sets on the cap.. Remove the cap every month ( or when ever) and drain out a couple oz of fuel / crap .... the TEE allows fuel to travel horizontal to the fuel filter, then into the carb..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41772 |
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the 715 fuel tank has bottom opening for suction and return , located as center of tank
I was looking at it and sediment bowl is ahead of fuel pump but not no tank . tapping a larger discharge line into tank - a valve - a filter - then to existing system might be the answer . |
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ecosse23 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 2024 Location: Scotland Points: 13 |
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I'm not sure about the diesel fuel sold in the US, but I'm in Scotland and I know that the petrol (gasoline) sold here has either 5% or 10% ethanol content nowadays. Ethanol is hygroscopic so it pulls moisture out of the air and that can cause corrosion, it also attacks some types of synthetic rubber hose.
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41772 |
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Odd how solving one so called problem creates 20 more .
Alcohol was the big thing in additive to gasoline , then processing corn into Alcohol has now created a CO2 problem where it is going to be collected and piped to ND and released underground ????? Seems diesel had lubricity and not big problems with rust or absorbing water , now with low or Ultra Low Sulphur pump wear and other injector problems are common . Same with the regen systems where DEF fluid is added - but at it's - 20F here today the ICE in tank , pump , hoses for DEF system fail to work . |
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ecosse23 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 2024 Location: Scotland Points: 13 |
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Agree 100% about creating problems. My Dad (no longer around sadly) spoke about using National Benzole petrol during the 1950's, basically gasoline with maybe 10% alcohol content added at the refinery, it prevented fuel freezing and solidifying in the venturi of the carburettor.
I guess modern fuel injection systems prevent that happening with spark ignition engines, but at this time of year, Derv (diesel fuel) in the UK has additives to prevent it from "waxing" and choking up the fuel filters. A real pain in the behind as it can reach 0F or -10F here in Scotland, fortunately we rarely get as cold as -20F which I guess is about -30C.
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