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 Topic: Quebec vs cars....
Posted: 17 Dec 2024 at 11:39am |
just on the wires....
The Quebec government has adopted regulations banning the sale of most new gasoline-powered vehicles as of 2035.
The rules, adopted Monday, apply to all "light-duty" vehicles, which
the province describes as cars, light trucks, pickup trucks, and most
SUVs.
Starting Jan. 1, 2034, it will be illegal to sell a new or used
version of any 2035 model of vehicle subject to the rules, including
hybrid and plug-in hybrid models.
whats interesting is the INCLUSION of HYBRIDs !!!
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Posted: 17 Dec 2024 at 12:33pm |
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Quebec.... welcome to the COMMIE state of KALIFORNIE !!
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Posted: 17 Dec 2024 at 3:05pm |
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Everyone going Amish? Can you just go outside Quebec and buy one?
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Posted: 17 Dec 2024 at 3:44pm |
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Bit like the UK's plan to ban petrol/diesel powered vehicles by 2030... Won't happen, or if it does there'll be an awful lot of us for them to feed and water in prison...
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Posted: 17 Dec 2024 at 5:04pm |
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Utopian pipe dream.
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Posted: 17 Dec 2024 at 7:58pm |
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New rule will certainly help the sale of GM 2500HD Trucks since their GVWR is above the 10,000 lb. threshold.
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Posted: 17 Dec 2024 at 8:06pm |
And starting Dec. 31, 2035, it will be illegal to sell or lease new gas-powered vehicles, covered by the regulation, from the 2034 model year or earlier.However, models of cars from 2034 or earlier that are already registered in Quebec by the deadline can remain on the roads and can be resold. The government says the new rules will help it reach its goal of electrifying its transportation network, which contributes 43 per cent of the province’s annual greenhouse gas emissions. Mopeds, motorcycles, and emergency vehicles are exempt from the rules, as are vehicles used by short-term rental companies.
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I see a HUGE increase in sales in 2033 and 2034... Then plan on keeping your F150 for 15 years and say FK QUEBEC !!!
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Posted: 18 Dec 2024 at 7:20am |
"Mopeds, motorcycles, and emergency vehicles are exempt from the rules, as are vehicles used by short-term rental companies."
And what of the aged-out rental units, can they be resold after their rental life is over or do they plan on forced-scrapping them? (VERY green indeed if the latter  AND if the former, how many new upstart "hire outfits" will spring up? You know, the upmarket premium-experience type where they have a high turnover of vehicles as they get a couple of hundred miles on them & "fall below standard" thus "forcing" the company to resell them... 
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Posted: 18 Dec 2024 at 7:51am |
hmm... if Mr. Trump does issue the 25% tariffs AND Quebec + Ontario halt all electricity to USA, that'd free up a lot of electrons for pure battery powered cars and trucks........  Hypocrites exempt 'emergency vehicles' and probably EVERY level of government vehicle.
hmm...wonder what 'short term' rental means
It's a good thing I don't have ANY reason to live in Quebec ! ALL the signs are in FRENCH only ( against federal law...)
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 5:30am |
Highly doubt it, but I guarantee if any of these libtard pipe dreams ever come into effect, there is going to be a lot of soccer moms driving F250, F350, 2500 and 3500 trucks around to go get groceries. And the manufacturers will be smiling with all the $100,000 trucks they are now selling, LOL
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 6:35am |
FORD Oakville already KNOWS that ! They were going to retool the plant for EVs ONLY, gave up( NO money in EVs..) NOW being retooled FOR F250/350 gas and diesel....
When that craps out 2-3 years from now Ford USA will shut down Oakville, jobs go back .south of the 49th. Seen that happen before......Butler closed CBS, 1990+-.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 6:58am |
 Gary wrote:
New rule will certainly help the sale of GM 2500HD Trucks since their GVWR is above the 10,000 lb. threshold.
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What so many disregard is at some point, and has already happened with 3/4 tons of Ford and Ram, the truck GVWR reaches a weight accompanied by a Trailer GVWR and a CDL IS Required, Unless license and use SOLELY as a RV. The CDL requirements in the US are NOT Limited to Commercial Trucks, is ONLY based upon Combined machine Gross Vehicle Weight RATING, not Licensed Weight or any other misconception, the Builder tag Rating On the truck Door Frame and Trailer ID Tags.
26,001# and Up, COMBINED.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 7:42am |
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For as long as I can remember, GM has offered a No Charge Option to replace the
2500HD GVWR Door Sticker of 11,300 lb. with a 9,900 lb. sticker.
That lets the owner avoid the special licensing requirements for Trucks over 10,000 lb.
I doubt if there is a very high percentage of 2500HD Trucks that are hauling Trailers heavier than 16,000 lb.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 8:09am |
gee, they do that in EVERY ad on TV !!!!  And NO mention of you needing $$$ license !
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 8:38am |
New rule will certainly help the sale of GM 2500HD Trucks since their GVWR is above the 10,000 lb. threshold.
GM has offered a No Charge Option to replace the 2500HD GVWR Door Sticker of 11,300 lb. with a 9,900 lb. sticker.
So the "NEW RULE" does not cover HEAVY TRUCKS which would be above 10,000# ..... and DAVE says that might force you to get a different lisc... and your comment is you can REDO the sticker and get it to read 9900 # ??????? Seems like that puts you BACK in the LIGHT DUTY TRUCK ??
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 9:05am |
hmm... bet the door sticker does NOT replace the VIN, which should dictate WHAT the truck 'really' is. Here in Ontario, I have black on white truck plates,so my truck is 'commercial' BUT I have a sticker that says ' for personal use ' or some such so I don't have to get yearly safety inspections.....or have to obey 'commercial' laws, whatever they are......
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 6:14pm |
jaybmiller wrote:
hmm... bet the door sticker does NOT replace the VIN, which should dictate WHAT the truck 'really' is. Here in Ontario, I have black on white truck plates,so my truck is 'commercial' BUT I have a sticker that says ' for personal use ' or some such so I don't have to get yearly safety inspections.....or have to obey 'commercial' laws, whatever they are......
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Me too. Got an F550 that is for personal use and requires no annual safety. I just brought a scale ticket to the license bureau (that may or may not have been fudged) to show that it weighs just a hair under 4500 KG, LOL
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 8:01pm |
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Just heard anything over one ton with a diesel, will get quarterly inspection for smoke in California starting in 2026.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2024 at 8:39pm |
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Probably wouldn't look at your scale ticket. Roll it across the scale buddy. Now your 550 empty may be just under 10,000 lbs. Depends on what body you have.
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Posted: 30 Dec 2024 at 8:25pm |
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Topic - Quebec vs cars....
Posted: Yesterday at 9:38am By steve(ill)
New rule will certainly help the sale of GM 2500HD Trucks since their GVWR is above the 10,000 lb. threshold.
GM has offered a No Charge Option to replace the 2500HD GVWR Door Sticker of 11,300 lb. with a 9,900 lb. sticker.
So the "NEW RULE" does not cover HEAVY TRUCKS which would be above 10,000#
That is correct, as Jay Stated "IN THE PROVINCE OF QUEBEC, CANADA", IN 2035.
and DAVE says that might force you to get a different license...
POSSIBLY IN DAVE'S STATE OF MISSOURI IN THE US OF A.
My understanding in CAN. is you only need a CDL classification if you are using
your GVWR 10,000lb. Truck for hauling anything other than your own personal property. ( even your neighbours Tractor )
and your comment is you can REDO the sticker and get it to read 9900 # ???????
THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS TO-DAY. (HERE IN ONTARIO)
THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING THE 9,900 LB. STICKER IS A GREAT SAVINGS IN THE ANNUAL LICENSE PLATE STICKER FOR A 2500 SERIES TRUCK.
My 2024 2500HD Diesel has a door sticker GVWR of 11,300 lb.
My License sticker is $265 every year on my birth month.
Trucks with a GVWR between 6,600 lb. and 10,000 lb. less than 1/2 - $120
Trucks, Cars, SUV's etc. with a GVWR of 3,000 kg - 6,600 lb. or less are FREE
A Silverado 1/2 ton High Country Crew Cab weighs 4,800 lb.
So you could have a Fancy Top of the Line 4 door High Country and carry an
additional 18,00 lbs. weight AND GET A FREE LICENSE STICKER - TODAY.
Seems like that puts you BACK in the LIGHT DUTY TRUCK ??
AGREED - BUT NOT UNTIL THE YEAR 2035.
Ff you still want a Gas or Diesel, you get a 2500HD with 10,000 lb plus GVWR.
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Edited by steve(ill) - Yesterday at 9:40am
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Posted: 30 Dec 2024 at 9:49pm |
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so you AGREE with everything i said ?.... WHY would you get a 9900 # sticker on a HEAVY DUTY TRUCK, and put it back in the LIGHT DUTY catagory .... and fall under the "NEW CANADA LAW" ? ...Thats Illogical.... the ENTIRE POST was "what happens in 2035".
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Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 7:58am |
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so you AGREE with everything i said ?....
WHY would you get a 9900 # sticker on a HEAVY DUTY TRUCK, and put it back in the LIGHT DUTY catagory ....
THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING THE 9,900 LB. STICKER IS A GREAT SAVINGS IN THE ANNUAL LICENSE PLATE STICKER FOR A 2500 SERIES TRUCK.
Pay $120 / yr instead of $265 / year TODAY, OF COURSE NOT IN 2035.
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and fall under the "NEW CANADA LAW" ? ...Thats Illogical.... the ENTIRE POST was "what happens in 2035".
IT IS NOT THE NEW CANADA LAW, IT WILL BE THE NEW 'PROVINCE OF QUEBEC LAW'
10 YEARS FROM NOW, IN 2035, JUST LIKE JAY STATED.
WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN 2035, OTHER THAN WHAT QUEBEC HAS ANNOUNCED FOR THE PROVINCE OF QUEBEC.
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I can't believe I went to the trouble to explain out your original Post
AND YOU ARE STILL CONFUSED !!!!!!
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Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 8:06am |
New rule will certainly help the sale of GM 2500HD Trucks since their GVWR is above the 10,000 lb. threshold.
GM has offered a No Charge Option to replace the 2500HD GVWR Door Sticker of 11,300 lb. with a 9,900 lb. sticker. ---------------
Nothing to explain... YOUR POST shows your illogical conclusion to the ORIGINAL POST about a law that might take effect in 2035.. Why cant you admitt that your random babbling about downgrading a truck that would not be effected by the law to one that WOULD be effected by the law really has nothing to do with the proposed law ??
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Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 2:07pm |
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Poor Stevie
I've tried to make this as simple as possible for you, and you still pretend you don't understand.
THE 9,900 LB. sticker has been for the past, and will probably end or be revised before 2035.
That comment was in relation to DMillers comment about special licensing may be required Eg. CDL IN MISSORI.
WE DO NOT HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT IN CANADA. ONLY APPLIES IF YOU ARE USING THE TRUCK COMMERCIALLY Eg a Contractor.
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New rule will certainly help the sale of GM 2500HD Trucks since their GVWR is above the 10,000 lb. threshold.
GM has offered a No Charge Option to replace the 2500HD GVWR Door Sticker of 11,300 lb. with a 9,900 lb. sticker.
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Nothing to explain...
YOUR POST shows your illogical conclusion to the ORIGINAL POST about a law that might take effect in 2035..
Why cant you admitt that your random babbling about downgrading a truck that would not be effected by the law
to one that WOULD be effected by the law really has nothing to do with the proposed law ??
Talk about Babbling - could you paraphrase this Brain Fart into soething that makes sense!
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Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 2:17pm |
I want to know where they are going to get the electric to charge all those batteries if they keep closing electric plant cloudy days likewe are having now won't make much electric with solar panels and windy days the wind turbins shut down
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Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 4:09pm |
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not only dont they have the POWER... there are no CHARGING STATIONS for the masses.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 7:34pm |
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Quebec has the power. And potential for a lot more. Getting the power to the people is a whole other story!
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Posted: 31 Dec 2024 at 9:45pm |
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Ed makes a good point.
The Province provides the Power to his Residence.
The Resident owner provides the necessary equipment to be able to use that Power.
Same arrangement as the owner does for the electricity he uses in his residence.
He provides the Electrical Panel, Breakers, Wiring etc.to suit his needs.
If he owns an EV, the Province provides the Power, the owner provides the means to be able to use that Power.
The Public Charge Stations would be meant primarily for the Travelling Public who are not able to return to their Residence to their own Charge Station.
Sounds like a Plan.
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Posted: 01 Jan 2025 at 5:40am |
Holds true here as well, from the drop at the pole into the meter base is the Utility's property, the feeder into the residence or workshop and beyond the power panel(s) are the residence/shop owner's. All maintenance from the meter base out is Resident or Structure owner's.
As to EV power, the National Electrical Code has already been revised three times, current iteration is 120vac Plug In is no longer allowed as a base charging platform even as a stand alone circuit similar to refrigerator. The next iteration was a stand alone 240vac plug in where that has been disallowed.
The current is a Separate 240vac stand alone transformer to a 200a Metered panel so that a Maximum of TWO charging Stations can be powered to feed no more than two machines at a time with No More Than 4, 120vac additional breaker supplied outlets for support as to lighting in that area. This I got from the town electrical supply department personnel. Buy an EV and need this installed Here, is $14,000 NOT Including the charging station nor the electrical service panel, those supplied to a licensed electrician to install for the residence owner. Needless to say the rental units in town do NOT have said apparatus installed due to costs, so far. Are currently 4 EVs in private hands here with rallies been held of Tesla and Rivian autos in town where the city set up a Portable Diesel Charging station for them, so far they are not planning a charging center nor are the fueling stations here.
My own insurer agent noted that should We ever purchase a EV, must be housed or stored in a separate structure the company will NOT Insure for Fire Damage at all, they will not insure EVs at all either as the autos once damaged can only be repaired at a Dealer facility and nearly 90% are totaled regardless damage levels. CANNOT EVER place inside the structures attached to the home or my Workshop as the insurance coverage on those will become voided.
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so all they need is 200,000 HOME stations with 200 amp service and NEW 240 v plugs for the cars... all turned ON every night to charge the cars.... What could POSSIBLY go wrong with this plan ?  ..... and dont worry about the COST... Im sure the GOVT will pay for everything..
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