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nella(Pa) 
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Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 12:49pm |
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Has anyone herd of this company "Three Points Land", from Oklahoma City OK. they are looking for land to put solar panels on and in the letter it sounds pretty good finically compared to corn and soybeans. But it usually don't end up that way!
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 1:06pm |
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along with READING the fine print... get 15 YEARS worth of rent/and lease UP FRONT !
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Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 2:15pm |
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These companies float in the wind like Dust Devils, Caution at ALL Times.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 6:14pm |
yea, with the track record most of these outifts have.. I would GET THE MONEY up front.. Then a percentage of sales going forward, or a yearly RENT..... Plan on them to CUT AND RUN at any time... so GET THE MONEY UP FRONT..
also WHO CLEANS UP after they are "DONE "?
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PaulB
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Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 7:18pm |
You should see the massive land destruction that has been done for a solar panel farm less than 3 miles from my place. I had understood that solar panels could conform to the natural lay of the land, not at this project there are 3 huge mosquito breeding ponds that have been dug with the equal mountain of rocks that came from the holes. The you go down to the big city of Frederick and look at all the warehouses with bare flat roofs that would be the perfect place for solar panels. Then there is also the big Data center being built without a single solar panel in any proposal. Once all the farmland that gets destroyed to put in solar panels starts getting taxed as industrial after it get taken out of agricultural production, then how does it pay for you sell outs? Solar has it's place, it's just not on productive farmland, unless it is done in such a way to remain as grazing land.
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Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 10:15pm |
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Ya, all they do is contaminate the area! They serve no useful purpose other than get big govt. payments to pad their false companys pockets!
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Mikez
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Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 11:25pm |
Before the solar was even thought of being in an open field there was concern of the amount of land lost to development. Can’t imagine how much land is being lost now. I see in the future the no trespassing signs on fence will have above them contaminated site keep out. Because they will stop producing and who will pay to clean them up. Or where will you take them. To the landfills that are already full. They claim the solar is to help the environment. I see it just making another mess.
Edited by Mikez - 24 Nov 2024 at 11:29pm
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Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 11:43pm |
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There is not really "contamination", the main problem are all the cement piers for ground anchors so the panels don't fly away.
When they give up the project they pull the panels to resell and the copper wire and maybe the iron bracket bracing for scrap, but leave you with a grid of cement tree stumps four foot in the ground.
So make sure they do a clean up in the contract.
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If any of the cells become damaged, hail is a big problem these leach the Cadmium, Arsenic, Lead and other nasty elements used to produce the Under Glass components. Leads to issues that if notice are usually CONEX boxes on the sites, away from the viewed edge, these to store broken panels as cannot be removed from the sites except by a Hazmat hauler to a recycler that as yet does NOT exist.
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Posted: Yesterday at 5:38am |
Always thought ( wrongly I suppose..) that the roofs of Walmarts and SAMS and Costcos and .... would be IDEAL solar sites. HUGE useless areas and SHORT cable runs to the grid. Agree that ONE broken solar panel in 100 acres will contaminate what used to be viable farmland......
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Posted: Yesterday at 6:46am |
There have been several landowners in our area that have committed land for solar farms.
I was talking to our local assessor a while back and he brought up an interesting point, that I hadn't thought of. He said, when you put thousands (maybe even millions) of dollars of income producing solar panels (permanently "built") on land, the parcel is now worth much more and should be assessed as such. Suddenly, land that was assessed as farmland, now is worth much more. He expects some of these landowners are in for a huge surprise when they get tax bills for hundreds of times what their taxes were. he thinks that is one of the reasons solar companies are leasing land instead of purchasing.
I wondered why these companies are not buying property instead of leasing at exorbitant rates. Maybe this is one of the reasons.
Just something else to think of, when considering a lease.
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Posted: Yesterday at 7:31am |
 WF owner wrote:
There have been several landowners in our area that have committed land for solar farms.
I was talking to our local assessor a while back and he brought up an interesting point, that I hadn't thought of. He said, when you put thousands (maybe even millions) of dollars of income producing solar panels (permanently "built") on land, the parcel is now worth much more and should be assessed as such. Suddenly, land that was assessed as farmland, now is worth much more. He expects some of these landowners are in for a huge surprise when they get tax bills for hundreds of times what their taxes were. he thinks that is one of the reasons solar companies are leasing land instead of purchasing.
I wondered why these companies are not buying property instead of leasing at exorbitant rates. Maybe this is one of the reasons.
Just something else to think of, when considering a lease. |
The same goes for cell towers in my area!
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Posted: Yesterday at 7:37am |
That’s probably why there are trying to label it farm by running sheep under them. To still fall under the ag assessment tax thingy.
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Posted: 14 hours 51 minutes ago at 7:39pm |
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most biulding roofs arnt designed to hold the weight , but it should be going forward
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Posted: 4 hours 19 minutes ago at 6:11am |
ALL roofs here in Ontario have to be strong enough for 'snow loads' so 'weight' isn't the reason. 15 years ago when the province had a great deal to go solar ( 80c/KwH ) I applied ,looked good, then turned down. My COMPANY owned the land not me. Still can't get a straight answer WHY that would matter. FYI, if I was 'native' , I could have put several systems on the same land...... OH well... since then solar is NOT economical to buy into.
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Posted: 3 hours 44 minutes ago at 6:46am |
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Solar Projects ( I refuse to call them Farms) would go away if not subsidized by the Government both Federal and State. I sit on our Township Board of Review for Property Taxes. I have seen Tax Abatements for Wind Turbines given to the Companies that own them as they are required by law to pay the increase in taxes from Ag to Commercial. Then the State Tax Authority grants an Abatementso they don't pay the full increase.I'm sure Solar will be the same. On another note several large Farmers in our State got in financial trouble and had land repossessed by their lender and is now going Solarfor the greater return on the money. I have been approached to sell, lease the farm for Solar and will not unless forced which could happen as the Legislature and Governor of Michigan signed into law taking siting control from local Townships and giving it to a 3 member Public Service Commission appointed by the Governor! People in Michigan and across the Country need to wake up and stand up to this take over of farmland!
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Posted: 3 hours 33 minutes ago at 6:57am |
Your last 4 words speak VOLUMES !!!! THAT is the agenda ! CONTROL......
Same with MEGA pig farms, MEGA cattle farms and such. Eliminate the 'little' guys, create a monopoly over time, 'big box business' model except government controlled.
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Posted: 3 hours 15 minutes ago at 7:15am |
jaybmiller wrote:
ALL roofs here in Ontario have to be strong enough for 'snow loads' so 'weight' isn't the reason. |
I live about 12 miles from Ontario, so I suspect the building codes in northern NY state are very similar to Ontario. I agree that buildings are built to sustain the weight of snow, but it would take a much stronger building to hold the snow and (quite heavy) solar energy collecting panels and their substructure.
After my comment about increased taxes on land that had solar energy collectors (and windmills) built on them, I did some research.
Most of the "green energy" generating locations in our area have PILOT (payment in lieu of taxes) agreements. These agreements waive full taxes on these parcels and have a sliding increase over several years until the parcel reaches 100% taxable. PILOT agreements usually mean the party receiving the price break makes payments, some on a sliding scale, to local agencies (fire/EMS departments, schools and specified others), to compensate for the tax breaks. At some point in future years, theoretically, the property will reach 100% tax rates.
Most of these agreements also include annual "decommission funds" to be deposited in an account, to be used to return the property to its original state after closing.
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Posted: 2 hours 27 minutes ago at 8:03am |
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Has anyone ever seen a site get returned to the way it was before.
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Posted: 2 hours 9 minutes ago at 8:21am |
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once they DIE and GO BANKRUMP... its hard to squeeze any blood out of them !
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Posted: 2 hours 4 minutes ago at 8:26am |
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I don't think they have been around long enough to see them decommissioned yet but give them another 10 or 15 years. If you drive by and look at those sites it would take 10 years or more to turn them back to farmland and more to get them productive. Some of them will probably end up in the hands of government because they will cost to much to clean up. Companies will take the money and disappear or go broke and leave the mess behind. They will need some kind of superfund to clean it all up.
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Posted: 1 hour 31 minutes ago at 8:59am |
Solar panels average about 3#s per sqft so maybe 5#s with mounting frame/hardware. That's less than the 2nd layer of shingles that many put on their roofs ! Panels are designed for EASY installs, need to be lightweight for crew putting them up, and of course shipping from China. Snowload for me ,Hamilton, Ontario(40m from Buffalo) is 50#/sqft. though today it's all 'Metricked'...... There's a lot of them in my neighbourhood, still there though minimal power from now until next Spring due to low dun, cloudy days, and some snow.
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