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Big Allis 
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 3:29pm |
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I just purchased a loader for my 180, and the hoses are trash. The outside coating is even crumbling off when you touch it. Where is a good place that is reasonably priced to get new hoses and fittings? What size (diameter) hose is needed? I can get rough measurements (they used galvanized pipe fittings and pipes to Frankenstein it together, but is there a manual that lists all the "correct" parts? Do not want to reinvent the wheel if that information is easily available. I should mention that it uses the rear hydraulics and controls that are already on the tractor rather than a joystick. Finally, is it worth it to try and get a joystick setup for just minimal usage around the property.
Thank you in advance for any advice,
Carl
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 3:35pm |
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I just went to the local Farm Store and bought generic hoses with pipe fitting ends.. They come 24, 30, 48 , 60 inches long.. etc. They also have swivel fittings if you need an adaptor... This will be the CHEAPEST option.. You can also go to NAPA and have hoses MADE TO FIT if you wish, with correct ends, etc.
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DSeries4
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 3:35pm |
For minimal use around the yard, I would not bother with a joystick. Take your old hoses to a local hydraulic shop and they can make new ones.
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 6:59pm |
The first step in getting a manual/book for, and help with, your loader is identifying it.
There might be a manual and/or parts book that could help you. OEM parts might not be available, but hose and tubing routing is generally shown in a parts book. The manual might not give you the tractor connection points.
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 6:59pm |
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Steve is right - go to a farm store- parts stores are crazy on their prices,,, depends how big a hurry your in
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 7:24pm |
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Joysticks are handy for regular use but for minimal, around the house kinda use, they're not worth the purchase price and plumbing/hoses. I usually get hoses made at Napa or a local "Mom and Pop" just because I prefer that route. I don't usually buy ready made hoses just because...
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 7:27pm |
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I get mine from Titan Fittings. They are 5000psi generally. Cheaper ones are available at hydraulics direct but I think that site is affiliated with Titan Fittings. If I need something fast, I go to TSC.
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 7:33pm |
Hydraulic hose and fittings were never cheap. And today, with the way the economy is they are even more dough. Those "Frankenstein" fittings may be original on that loader. Years ago, they weren't that picky on esthetics. It was function. I've been a Hydraulic mechanic for many years, and some of the goofy plumbing on some machines made you shake yer' head and laugh. Sometimes there was even a WTH is zat' thrown in there. I'm wit' Steve on the Farm store thing as well. Take a hose off and take it to the Farm store to ID the size and then go from there. Sometimes its best to remove all the hoses and take em' to the store. Before removing them, take some duct tape and mark each side and its destination, this way you know where they came off from and which side. This will help with fitting ID also. Take yer' time and you'll get r' done!
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 7:38pm |
Once you get a list together of all the hoses you'll need, check out www.surpluscenter.com Even after paying the shipping the cost will be less that half of what farm stores will charge and you'll get everything you need in one swoop. If you go to most any farm store, they won't have everything that you need the first time in the door.
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Posted: 10 Jun 2024 at 8:32pm |
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Look out for the China hoses, you get what you pay for
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Posted: 11 Jun 2024 at 5:53am |
 PaulB wrote:
Once you get a list together of all the hoses you'll need, check out www.surpluscenter.com Even after paying the shipping the cost will be less that half of what farm stores will charge and you'll get everything you need in one swoop. If you go to most any farm store, they won't have everything that you need the first time in the door. |
I agree with Paul.
Everything I have bought from Surplus Center was well described in their website or catalog.
The hoses I got from them (for my dump trailer) were USA made and about one-fourth of the price of one I had made at an auto parts store.
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Posted: 11 Jun 2024 at 6:15am |
PaulB wrote:
Once you get a list together of all the hoses you'll need, check out www.surpluscenter.com Even after paying the shipping the cost will be less that half of what farm stores will charge and you'll get everything you need in one swoop. If you go to most any farm store, they won't have everything that you need the first time in the door. |
Awesome, thank you. Your message was very timely. Super easy and for $29 bought (almost half was shipping) the two hoses (1/2" X 24") for the CA hydraulic cylinders!!!
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Posted: 11 Jun 2024 at 6:42am |
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Got tired of blown hoses all hours of the day and being at the mercy of the hydraulic shops in the area. I purchased a used "Weatherhead" setup from a closing truck repair facility at a good price including a plethora of fittings. Haven't looked back and have made dozens of hoses not only recouping my original outlay, but profiting as well. I use "Surplus Center" a lot myself along with a couple of other online suppliers for fittings/couplers but only use good quality hose. Some of the Chinese produced hose will be cracking and splitting within a year if exposed to much sunlight. Weatherhead H-245 is my hose of choice series. There are others meeting the SAE-100-R16 specification, but this hose seems to hold up to the UV radiation quite well that breaks the rubber down without busting the bank.
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Posted: 11 Jun 2024 at 7:04am |
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I have been chasing hose leaks on my backhoe this spring. Each time I replace one, another fails.
Last short hose less than 2 ft for loader lift cost me $70 at local machine shop.
Yesterday I took in the longer hose for bucket dump 3 1/2 ft for bucket dump to a farmers oil store. Will see how much this one costs.
I had considered posting a similar thread given my concern that $70 seemed a little steep.
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Posted: 11 Jun 2024 at 11:49am |
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I've used surplus center as well.
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Posted: 11 Jun 2024 at 11:55am |
PaulB wrote:
Once you get a list together of all the hoses you'll need, check out www.surpluscenter.com Even after paying the shipping the cost will be less that half of what farm stores will charge and you'll get everything you need in one swoop. If you go to most any farm store, they won't have everything that you need the first time in the door. |
Agree 100% with Paul on Surplus Center,get the exact hoses and fittings you need.Been getting hoses and other hydraulic stuff from them for years,excellent quality as far as I'm concerned.Just replaced all the hoses on the loader on my Oliver 1365 4WD got just what I needed.
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Posted: 11 Jun 2024 at 2:09pm |
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Parker and Caterpillar have the highest quality hydraulic hoses but very expensive. Surplus Center or Farm Store would be less costly. ~ Orangeman
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Posted: 11 Jun 2024 at 2:20pm |
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use 1/2" hoses whatever you do! 3/8" dont cut it on these. Casual use you could go 1 wire but I go 2 wire on EVERYTHING I replace.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2024 at 8:00am |
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Farm coop charged $70 for my second hose. And I think it was 3/8 hose.
I will try surpluscenter if I replace the right side loader hoses. Hopefully for now they function without crying.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 12:41am |
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Dont rule out Caterpillar, as they do have one advantage, most still stock 2000 PSI hose.
Its rated 2000 working/ 10,000 PSI burst pressure, so plenty good for any Allis farm equipment.
Most dealers in my area have tried to reduce inventory and have went to one hose rating, which is 5,000 PSI with a price to match, and its not even US made.
Cat dealers almost always use foam bullets, and they pay attention to how a angled fitting is clocked to the natural lay of the hose and try to replicate it.
SO IMO a much better product in the end for a good price. Not cheap, but you leave satisfied.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2024 at 8:43am |
orangeman wrote:
Parker and Caterpillar have the highest quality hydraulic hoses but very expensive. Surplus Center or Farm Store would be less costly. ~ Orangeman |
I definitely would not use Parker hose. My 1386 rogator has all Parker hose on it and they are all failing. They just start leaking in random areas with no obvious issues. The sprayer has about 3000hrs on it and it is always parked inside. Have equipment that is 40 plus years old parked outside that still have original hoses on them. The outer coating is all cracked and crumbling but at least they don't leak. I think it's just like old tires they get to looking like crap but still hold air after 50 years but new ones go flat after a season no matter what brand or price.
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