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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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Hey yall I'm trying to get my ol gal started after sitting all winter with no luck. Got 2 hot batteries over 13 volts. Got 26 volts down at the starter. Push the button and nothing not even a click. Put a remote starter switch on her and still nothing. Then put the ol screwdriver to her and still not even a sound from her. Any ideas what to go for next? Couldn't find any other post like it in here. Thank yall
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CAL(KS) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: Chapman, KS Points: 3777 |
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likely moisture inside starter. remove solenoid and clean contacts
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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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Thank ya ill give her a shot here shortly
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41352 |
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starter brushes , then if solonoid isn't even clicking - time to remove starter and clean all parts up . bad ground somewhere along the line could also cause a problem .
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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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I pulled a set of jumper cables from the batteries to the starter and tried that last night but didn't get anything from that way
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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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Anyone got pics of what needs to come apart to get the senoliod off the starter. Got the wires off and 4 bolts holding it to the starter but still feels like something holding it
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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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Got her off plunger looks good no rust or moisture. Now gonna break her down and clean inside
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11631 |
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I'm wit' Coke on that. Sounds like the ole' perverbial bad ground or connection issue. Clean the chassis ground real good. I wouldn't go rippin' n' tearin' till ya got all the connections cleaned up and shiny. Especially the ground... Check your wiring as well. Ya never know, varmits could've gotten in there and had a spagetti dinner and chewed on some wires... Steve@B&B
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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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Ya already pulled the solenoid off and cleaned the guts in it. Was a lil crusty but now good a shinny. Guess tomorrow I'll start pulling plates and trace all the wires. Hopefully I fund something soon. I left her sitting in front of 2 of my trailers that I need to get unloaded.
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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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Well cleaned all the grounds and still not even I click from her. I'm kinda leaning towards a bad solenoid. Whays everyone else thoughts on that being it? Just wanna see so I not putting out money for nothing
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Illinois Points: 1915 |
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If you know how to use a multimeter, place on terminal lead end on the smaller terminal, (trigger, or enable and usually flat) and the other to ground. An infinite resistance indicates an open coil and the solenoid is bad. A resistance reading between 30 and 300 ohms and it is good and someplace else needs evaluated. This needs done with the trigger, or starter enable wire disconnected. Another thing you can do and I want to stress is make certain that son of a bitch is in neutral first, then with a short length of wire, or screwdriver, short the terminal the battery lead affixes to and the small flat terminal the trigger, or starter enable wire attaches to. This bypasses any safety's involved and if the tractor is not in neutral, it will lurch forward if the starter turns. If the starter still does not operate, you either have a grounding problem from the starting batteries, battery voltage is not being routed to the starter solenoid terminal, or the solenoid is open electrically. If the later, remove all cables and wires from the starter solenoid. With an external 12VDC battery and set of booster cables, connect the positive booster cable end to the threaded stud the tractor battery cable normally attaches to. Attach the negative booster cable end to the starter motor case directly. Jumper, or short the two terminals mentioned earlier to ascertain solenoid condition. If it still does not respond, I would pull the unit from the tractor and send into a rebuild shop for reconditioning. I'm aware your system is a 24VDC system but this is a troubleshooting scenario and 12VDC will work to get a response from the starter. Doesn't have to start, just engage and respond. If you have good batteries in the tractor, you can use them with booster cables interconnected the same way except for 24VDC. If you still get no response from the starter, you can as a final test jumper with your positive lead to the large threaded stud that enters the starter motor housing and is usually connected to the solenoid by a copper strap. This will bypass the solenoid spinning the motor itself and won't slip the drive into the flywheel ring gear. Given you mention there is no response from the starter solenoid, I really don't think the starter motor suspect at this writing. No proof but suspect your problem is upstream of the starter motor. Some of this you've been through already I know. Don't forget, or miss the basics involved. Edited by Codger - 23 Jun 2024 at 5:05pm |
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 702 |
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When we tried to start my Son-in-law's HD5G this spring it barely would even wiggle the engine. The starter relay did click but not much more would happen. The battery was freshly charged but we put the booster charger on it anyway; same results. Next, cleaned all of the connections, no joy. Out came my trusty Fluke 88 meter. Found a full 6 Volt drop through the ground circuit. This was with the probe at the point where the ground cable attaches to the main rear casting, thereby eliminating the cable itself from the test circuit. Apparently there has been a bit of corrosion through the chassis in the past 74 years. I ran a dedicated ground cable all the way from the battery to the starter, now she fires right up ![]() |
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Codger ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Illinois Points: 1915 |
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Can't stress enough the importance of clean grounds and terminations. Nature of the beast in electrical work. I too always have both heavy supply cables running directly to the starter motor and/or assembly itself; #2 at a minimum up to 2/0 dependent upon application.
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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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I'm getting 26 volts at the starter and have taken all grounds off cleaned and put them back on. Even changed the ones that even looked kinda old just to be on the safe side
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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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Well just got back in from checking the solenoid and according to the multimeter she's bad. Time for a new one. At least I know all tje grounds on her are good and tha battery cables are good too. Have to wait till the new one gets here to see what happens. I'll let yall know. Thanks for all the help again. With all the questions I'm asking I'm learning alot about the ol gal and will keep her going as long as I can.
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Jhilton69 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 2023 Location: Lyerly Georgia Points: 47 |
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Here's a good question how do I get the starter off? There's about 1/4" between the bolts going into the front of the starter and the canister hanging off the I guess to be the water pump assembly. If I find a way to take it off it doesn't look like it's got any room for it to drop down and take off. Help please
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