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ACinSC 
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Posted: 12 Dec 2023 at 7:19am |
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Just saw they require seniors to take a driving test. Might be a good idea around here ? Any thoughts? Thanks
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 12 Dec 2023 at 8:18am |
- Drivers under age 21 — licenses expire three months after their 21st birthday; drivers age 21 through 80 — licenses are valid for four years and expire on a driver's birthday; drivers age 81 through 86 — licenses are valid for two years; drivers age 87 and older must renew their licenses each year.
- Vision screening is required for all drivers renewing at a facility.
- All persons age 75 and older must take a driving exam.
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ACinSC
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Posted: 12 Dec 2023 at 8:52am |
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Thanks Steve!
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Posted: 12 Dec 2023 at 9:11am |
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Yaaa, I have taken two of them in IL now.
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Posted: 12 Dec 2023 at 5:43pm |
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Thanks Dave! Just wondering what all the driving test entails? Parallel parking and such ?
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Posted: 13 Dec 2023 at 12:03am |
WHY?? Didn't they abolish the road test because of Covid? They did here in WI. About the worst thing they ever did. Here we don't have to renew but every 8 years. They don't care if you can't drive, they just want their fees...
I'm surprised that IL lets them get away with the various testing. THAT my friends is age discrimination. ILLEGAL.....
I think EVERYONE should have to take both the written and the road test every time. Laws change and people aren't aware of the new laws. Hell, most people don't even know what the laws are now! (and it shows)
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Dave H
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Posted: 13 Dec 2023 at 5:38pm |
No parallel parking any more here. Just have to park on a "simulated" hill and say which way the wheels should be turned. Oh and don't forget to torn your signal on when resuming, traffic or no traffic. 
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Posted: 13 Dec 2023 at 5:58pm |
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Thanks Dave, seems quite a few folks around here don't use turn signals 😕
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Posted: 18 Dec 2023 at 8:56pm |
signal lights, WOTS DAT??????????????? lol! Ill. is STUPID! Still cant find out what class a 10,001 pound dump trailer needs---was told cdl combination even for private/personal use! ask 5 different dot people about it and get 10 different answers! Cant keep their own lies straight! lol! Aint the seniors that need tested every year --- its them damn new cars, or whatever they call them that pass in no passin zones, cut you off, and that kind of stuff PLUS when posted speed is 55, they pass you runnin a hundred then try to cut you off! --- Where are the lazy cops????
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Posted: 20 Dec 2023 at 10:47pm |
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Where are the lazy cops???? |
Yeah Sonny, a bunch of us were discussing that very topic last night! I have not seen a cop in eons!! One of our main roads here has a speed limit of 25 and kids are going down it at 50 plus! Gonna get somebody killed soon.
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DMiller
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Posted: 21 Dec 2023 at 7:48am |
ac fleet wrote:
signal lights, WOTS DAT??????????????? lol! Ill. is STUPID! Still cant find out what class a 10,001 pound dump trailer needs---was told cdl combination even for private/personal use! ask 5 different dot people about it and get 10 different answers! Cant keep their own lies straight! lol!Aint the seniors that need tested every year --- its them damn new cars, or whatever they call them that pass in no passin zones, cut you off, and that kind of stuff PLUS when posted speed is 55, they pass you runnin a hundred then try to cut you off! --- Where are the lazy cops???? |
Can answer that as is covered in CDL Manuals, UNLESS is registered to and used EXPRESSLY for Personal Farm Use, when GVWR (that is MFR RATING Not License weight) exceeds 26000lbs Combined as a Truck and Trailer or as Base Weight GVWR of the truck a Class B for Straight trucks or a Class A for Truck/Trailer Combo is required, place Air Brakes on it and becomes a CDL ONLY, Can be Class A,B or C, where again if is not licensed Personal FARM use ONLY or is registered RV in those states allowing such but where as RV cannot support ANY OTHER Towing or Function use. As to testing BAD Drivers, some states adopted that after receipt of License removal Points and performance of Rehabilitative Training the Licenses can ONLY be reinstated by Driving tests. HOWEVER, that function as in MO is being transposed OFF the State's Back to CONTRACTORS more and more. Predominantly, those that lose license just continue to drive even as arrested Over and Over and Over, even as to NO Insurance, slap on the wrist limp spaghetti and NOTHING More, sent home to repeat.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2023 at 6:12pm |
DM's explanation really doesn't make any sense, probably mostly for structure and punctuation, but Fleet- I can tell you what I know:
Every state has different rules on what DOES, and DOES NOT constitute a CDL circumstance. Each time I cross into a different state, I have to review my status list to see what is, or may be changing. My company's fleet person makes a nice list of each state, so we all stay on the proper side of the book.
AC Fleet- In Iowa, if you pull that trailer with a pickup truck with GVWR under 10,000lbs, and there's no air brakes on either truck or trailer, you do NOT need a CDL. You WILL, however, need to stop at all weigh stations, and if your tow vehicle is owned by a business, OR you're doing business work, you MUST have a current medical card.
IF the truck with which you're TOWING it has a rated GVWR of 10,000lbs or GREATER, regulations require that you have a Class A CDL AND a medical card.
IN Iowa, if you have the trailer DERATED to 9980lbs, you can tow it with ANY vehicle, and a CDL is NOT required, so long as you're not exceeding 26,000lbs GROSS COMBINED WEIGHT, and there are no air-brakes. You WILL have to stop at state weigh stations. IF you're in commercial or farming, you WILL have to carry a medical card.
IF your tow vehicle is under 10,000lbs GVWR, and the trailer is under 10,000 GVWR, you do NOT need to carry a medical card, commercial or not. IF the GROSS WEIGHT is under 10,000lbs here, one does NOT need to stop at weigh stations.
Now, if I'm driving a FWD 6x6 truck tractor with air-brakes pulling a train of 9 hay wagons on 15-ton running gear, fully loaded, from the 4 south 200 acre fields, across the county blacktop, up the gravel hill to the second farm entrance on the left, at 6mph, and I'm 13 years old, I can legally do that under the Implements of Husbandry clause...
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DMiller
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Posted: 23 Dec 2023 at 7:29pm |
States do NOT have a Say as to negating or revising GVWR on machines. Is a DOT Federal Requirement, Sorry. DOT Set the Rules, States can adjust Harsher but not softer. States as IA or NC some western states have special Classifications for IN State ONLY, MO has Farm tag good to 150mile Radius HOWEVER if Cross State Line more than 20 miles CDL is Required.
Read up On Federal Regs, and Yes, they do over ride State Law as to the lowest denominator.
From FMSCA: These are Baseline:
Pursuant to Federal standards, States issue CDLs and CLPs to drivers according to the following license classifications: Class A*: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) whichever is greater. Class B*: Any single vehicle which has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight that does not exceed 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds). Class C: Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is transporting material that has been designated as hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under subpart F of 49 CFR Part 172 or is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR Part 73. EndorsementsDrivers who operate special types of CMVs must pass additional tests to obtain any of the following endorsements placed on their CDL: | Endorsement code | Description |
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T | Double/Triple Trailers (Knowledge test only) | P* | Passenger (Knowledge and Skills Tests) | N | Tank vehicle (Knowledge test only) | H* | Hazardous materials (Knowledge test only) | X | Combination of tank vehicle and hazardous materials endorsements (Knowledge test only) | S* | School Bus (Knowledge and Skills Tests) | | CLP Endorsements - Only 3 endorsements are allowed on the CLP | P | Passenger, A CLP holder with a "P" endorsement is prohibited from operating a CMV carrying passengers, other than Federal/state auditors and inspectors, test examiners, other trainees, and the CDL holder accompanying the CLP holder as prescribed by 49CFR383.25(a)(1). | S | School Bus, A CLP holder with an "S" endorsement is prohibited from operating a school with passengers, other than Federal/state auditors and inspectors, test examiners, other trainees, and the CDL holder accompanying the CLP holder as prescribed by 49CFR383.25(a)(1). | N | Tank Endorsement, A CLP holder with an "N" endorsement may only operate an empty tank vehicle, and is prohibited from operating any tank vehicle that previously contained hazardous materials that have not been purged of any residue. |
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L | If the driver does not pass the Air Brakes Knowledge Test, does not correctly identify the air brake system components, does not properly conduct an air brake systems check, or does not take the Skills test in a vehicle with a full air brake system, the driver must have an "L" no full air brake restriction placed on their license. | Z | If the driver takes the test in a vehicle with an air over hydraulic brake system, then they will have a "Z" no full air brake restriction placed on their license. In either case the driver is not authorized to operate a CMV equipped with full air brakes. | E | If the driver takes the Skills Test in a vehicle that has an automatic transmission, then an "E" no manual transmission restriction is placed on their license. | O | If the driver takes the Skills Test in a Class A vehicle that has a pintle hook or other non-fifth wheel connection, they will have an "O" restriction placed on their license restricting them from driving any Class A vehicle with a fifth wheel connection. | M | If a driver possesses a Class A CDL, but obtains his or her passenger or school bus endorsement in a Class B vehicle the State must place an "M" restriction indicating that the driver can only operate Class B and C passenger vehicle or school buses. | N | If a driver possesses a Class B CDL, but obtains his or her passenger or school bus endorsement in a Class C vehicle; the State must place an "N" restriction indicating that the driver can only operate Class C passenger vehicle or school buses. | V | If the State is notified by the FMCSA that a medical variance has been issued to the driver, the State must indicate the existence of such a medical variance on the CDLIS driving record and the CDL document using a restriction code "V" to indicate that there is information about the medical variance on the CDLIS record. |
As noted, FARM and RV are the only two License PLATE Types that alter these rules. Health Card is only if have a Valid CDL. |
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Posted: 24 Dec 2023 at 8:47am |
DMiller wrote:
States do NOT have a Say as to negating or revising GVWR on machines. Is a DOT Federal Requirement, Sorry. DOT Set the Rules, States can adjust Harsher but not softer. States as IA or NC some western states have special Classifications for IN State ONLY, MO has Farm tag good to 150mile Radius HOWEVER if Cross State Line more than 20 miles CDL is Required.
Read up On Federal Regs, and Yes, they do over ride State Law as to the lowest denominator.
From FMSCA: These are Baseline:
Pursuant to Federal standards, States issue CDLs and CLPs to drivers according to the following license classifications: Class A*: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) whichever is greater. Class B*: Any single vehicle which has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight that does not exceed 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds). Class C: Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is transporting material that has been designated as hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under subpart F of 49 CFR Part 172 or is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR Part 73. EndorsementsDrivers who operate special types of CMVs must pass additional tests to obtain any of the following endorsements placed on their CDL: | Endorsement code | Description |
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T | Double/Triple Trailers (Knowledge test only) | P* | Passenger (Knowledge and Skills Tests) | N | Tank vehicle (Knowledge test only) | H* | Hazardous materials (Knowledge test only) | X | Combination of tank vehicle and hazardous materials endorsements (Knowledge test only) | S* | School Bus (Knowledge and Skills Tests) | | CLP Endorsements - Only 3 endorsements are allowed on the CLP | P | Passenger, A CLP holder with a "P" endorsement is prohibited from operating a CMV carrying passengers, other than Federal/state auditors and inspectors, test examiners, other trainees, and the CDL holder accompanying the CLP holder as prescribed by 49CFR383.25(a)(1). | S | School Bus, A CLP holder with an "S" endorsement is prohibited from operating a school with passengers, other than Federal/state auditors and inspectors, test examiners, other trainees, and the CDL holder accompanying the CLP holder as prescribed by 49CFR383.25(a)(1). | N | Tank Endorsement, A CLP holder with an "N" endorsement may only operate an empty tank vehicle, and is prohibited from operating any tank vehicle that previously contained hazardous materials that have not been purged of any residue. |
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L | If the driver does not pass the Air Brakes Knowledge Test, does not correctly identify the air brake system components, does not properly conduct an air brake systems check, or does not take the Skills test in a vehicle with a full air brake system, the driver must have an "L" no full air brake restriction placed on their license. | Z | If the driver takes the test in a vehicle with an air over hydraulic brake system, then they will have a "Z" no full air brake restriction placed on their license. In either case the driver is not authorized to operate a CMV equipped with full air brakes. | E | If the driver takes the Skills Test in a vehicle that has an automatic transmission, then an "E" no manual transmission restriction is placed on their license. | O | If the driver takes the Skills Test in a Class A vehicle that has a pintle hook or other non-fifth wheel connection, they will have an "O" restriction placed on their license restricting them from driving any Class A vehicle with a fifth wheel connection. | M | If a driver possesses a Class A CDL, but obtains his or her passenger or school bus endorsement in a Class B vehicle the State must place an "M" restriction indicating that the driver can only operate Class B and C passenger vehicle or school buses. | N | If a driver possesses a Class B CDL, but obtains his or her passenger or school bus endorsement in a Class C vehicle; the State must place an "N" restriction indicating that the driver can only operate Class C passenger vehicle or school buses. | V | If the State is notified by the FMCSA that a medical variance has been issued to the driver, the State must indicate the existence of such a medical variance on the CDLIS driving record and the CDL document using a restriction code "V" to indicate that there is information about the medical variance on the CDLIS record. |
As noted, FARM and RV are the only two License PLATE Types that alter these rules. Health Card is only if have a Valid CDL. |
I agree! CDL Laws are nationwide laws. Individual states can make their laws more stringent, but the CDL laws ultimately govern.
A "medical card" is required for everyone operating a CMV interstate.
Some states may require a medical card for intrastate, under certain conditions. New York does not. As a New York State resident, and a CDL license holder, I can legally operate a CMV inside New York State without a medical card.
As far as the "13-year-old" driver scenario, not in New York. To operate a farm "motor vehicle", the operator must be legally licensed operator. That includes driver's that are underage, have no license, have had their license suspended / revoked or are medically not allowed to have a driver's license cannot legally operate a farm vehicle in New York.
Also, farm motor vehicles have to conform to New York Vehicle and Traffic Laws regarding safety equipment, tires, size of load (including overload and overlength laws) and all other pertinent laws.
Edited by WF owner - 24 Dec 2023 at 8:49am
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Posted: 28 Dec 2023 at 4:31pm |
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Trailer has 11,000 gvw and the f-350 also is 11,000 gvw all for private farm use not for hire.
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Posted: 28 Dec 2023 at 6:28pm |
With those GVW's, you should be fine.
We are seeing some tickets here for these guys with one-ton dually pickups and tandem dually trailers with a GVW of over 20K.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2023 at 9:25am |
Hot Shots and Landscapers are NOTORIOUS for trying to skirt the laws. License low weight tags thinking can get around, Intentionally buying Lighter GVWR Machines "Knowing" can add a little weight "As Builders Build with a Buffer" when is not a Fact.
Was on Hwy 19 headed to a Clay Pit Last Spring, young driver with a SRW Gooseneck which is only rated for 9500lbs against available tires, Half Ton pickup with a Goose ball typical of many poorer farms around here, TWO NF 14xx series IH Tractors on the trailer and a spare 38 in the truck bed. Tried to stop for a school bus, Elec brakes with the pickup NOT NEAR ENOUGH, so rather than hit the bus, ran off in ditch. MODOT works Hwy19 heavily, found him and Not congenial. First was hauling FOR HIRE, No DOT number or Haulage name on truck, Not covered for Insurance as Commercial Use, Failure to Maintain Control, could not prove speeding so not written up yet as wrecker removed from ditch Portables came out. Truck/trailer was towed to impound, tractors had to be picked up by Licensed Hauler. Kid had a Class B, lost that, lost FARM TAG license off the truck AND Trailer, fined for Overweight, exceeding safety value of tires, exceeding safety value of brakes, Incomplete Load Securement. Tried the 'But is their Farm Truck' plea, failed and cost them close to $4000 overall in fines fees and court costs, just lucky did not get jail sentence.
Reason know these facts, Our Home contractor is their neighbor, I stay in contact with home for repairs I cannot do, he mentioned the incident and we spoke on it.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2023 at 12:29pm |
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In court, I have heard the farm truck excuse a few times. My response is unsafe farm trucks can kill people.
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DMiller
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Posted: 30 Dec 2023 at 8:25am |
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DOT is working at removing that little caveat as well the RV caveat with people untrained in HD Truck safety buying and driving Clas 7 and 8 chassis as Rolling Condos. Air Brakes is Air Brakes regardless the machine where weight or size and load limits need to apply to ALL highway use machines.
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Posted: 30 Dec 2023 at 8:45am |
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That's for sure, to many motor homes with drivers unqualifide
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Posted: 30 Dec 2023 at 8:59am |
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heck check out 'Burlington Skyway Bridge' accident to see what a qualified, licensed dump truck drive did.....maybe 8-10 years ago.
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Posted: 30 Dec 2023 at 9:25am |
We've had several examples of brand new Caterpillar equipment impacting bridge underpinnings on Interstate 74 right outside of Peoria, IL several times.
While I'm not 100% for it, I do know the only way to instill a safety culture into trucking is through enforcement and fines where it counts. The RV industry needs included into this realm of trucking.
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I was in the local bank the other day at the counter getting cash counted out and in comes rushing a man guessing to be Mexican, thrusts his phone at me and says "interpret". I address the phone as a stranger who has just been handed a phone and the other person responds he needs this guy to get to his business, ---- Auto, I laugh, I am at the bank! He answers I know, could you please go out and point at his place, I go outside a semi with a car trailer is parked so that I know he already drove by the business once, I point, there it is, its the only place on the one side of the road with a large sign announcing its presence. In broken English I manage he drove by it more then once, the guy on the phone was not happy sounding.
I wander back to the bank and all the girls are watching out the window, when I get in they ask what was that all about??? I respond, we are in trouble. They agree
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SeeSo many towel heads on I 44- going 40 mph, flashers blinking- on the phones, backing up traffic; best one was the other day in Fenton- Mexican driving a ton truck with a dump bed- bed completely up- got beside him and motioning the problem- grins and waves,,
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Posted: 30 Dec 2023 at 11:42am |
here's just one link to what happened here, dang 9 YEARS ago....
burlington-skyway-sentenced-to-jail-time-1.3683838
Sad thing is , he's back driving, had open bottle of booze but OPP (cops) didn't take booze test for 4 hours...
You need to know the QEW links Buffalo to Toronto,the ONLY link, 100s of 1,000s of cars and semis , every day, 24/7. He cost 10s of millions in lost time as NO easy way to bypass the bridge in addition to the bridge damage. If you Google map it, you gotta wonder HOW the 'heck' did ge manage to drive so frikin far with the dump box UP !!!!
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Posted: 30 Dec 2023 at 2:20pm |
Happens A LOT on I-70 where the idiots DID NOT disengage PTO on Hydraulic Pump before leave dump site albeit the Dump or a Contractor Yard to a Highway Site. Asphalt Morons catching Power Lines paving, to grain and Rock Haulers and Trash haulers taking out Road Signage or bridge damage.
Special little Blurb on CDL, REQUIRED to be able to Readily READ and SPEAK English language for a US License, whomever is issuing these ignoring that need be the ones in Jail.
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Posted: 31 Dec 2023 at 9:07am |
When I was a young kid (many years ago), we went to visit a friend of Dad's. He was a farmer that raised certified birdsfoot-trefoil seed. He was driving on (then new) I-87 in his dump truck. When he stashed his coat between the seats, he inadvertently pushed the hydraulic lever for the dump box back raising the box. He struck an overpass with the raised box and broke his neck. He was paralyzed from the neck down. He died shortly after. At work, we had several similar incidents during Snow and Ice Operations. We were using hoppers for sanding back then and guys would dump hoppers out by inadvertently hitting the lever. NYSDOT's solution was to remove the pin in the lever, so it would just flop around.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2024 at 8:09pm |
yeah that's the mess.... it was a friggin NIGHTMARE trying to get around here..
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I think it is pure age discrimination. My dad is a 77 year old disabled Vietnam Vet and while he might not get around the best he can drive forwards, backwards and even sideways and teach a clinic without spilling a drop of coffee..
He can back a trailer or even a wagon like a boss.
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