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ACinSC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2769 |
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Posted: 26 Jul 2023 at 8:42pm |
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Just read an interesting article about one that was found here in SC
Would post the link if I could. Anyone else seen it? What a monster ! |
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81421 |
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there has been a couple stories on that restoration... Yes... its a BRUTE ..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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JoeM(GA)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Cumming,GA Points: 4661 |
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I saw it down in White Plains before it moved, that is one huge piece of iron!
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41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
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Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2041 |
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Someplace in my stash of Polaroid photos from 1976 I have a photo of myself standing between an HD-41B, and an FD-30 both new at the time at the plant in Springfield. Neither had a push blade installed, but they were huge tractors in that timeframe.
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ACinSC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2769 |
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That's the article I read Steve. Thanks for posting
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81421 |
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21C was bigger than a D8 and the 31 was bigger than a D9... When the HD 41 came out it was the largest dozer on earth....... 80 tons, 1710 Cummins at 524 HP , up to a 20 ft wide blade.... YEA... it was a monster.
Sold a lot of them to the mines in Penn, Kentucky, and over seas.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Kcgrain
Orange Level Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 769 |
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If you need a new final, powershift transmission, PM kits or bearings I have a bunch of new 41 parts
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Kcgrain
Orange Level Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 769 |
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I was told by a CAT guy that the 16 was the same size as a 7 but would out push an 8, the 21 was the same size as a 8 but would out push a 9 and the 41 had no equal,
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Doughd16b
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I HAVE 2 HD16s and they push very well but they won't push as much as a D8
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Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2041 |
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I've always heard that also about the HD-16, and the HD-21 series tractors, but a late model Caterpillar D8 series is a lot different than one produced in the 1970's when the HD-16, or HD-21 was common. I wouldn't think there would be much of a comparison today.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81421 |
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D8 GREW over the years... Started out the size of a Allis 16 and ended up the size of a Allis 21C.... if the two machines had the same WEIGHT and HP... they were approx equaal.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2041 |
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Something I've always found ironic is that for the most part basic hand tools are needed to work on A-C tractors where with Caterpillar, a special this, or that is needed. Another little story I remember and kinda find humor in: Back in 1976 there was a new trailer park being developed on the NW side of Springfield in former rolling ground. There was quite a bit of ground to shape and move as the park was fairly narrow but deep and a large portion needed leveled out of a hillside. I can't remember the excavating contractor that did the work, but there were two fairly new looking D8 Caterpillar tractors, and a single HD-16. IIRC one, or both of those Caterpillar machines was/were being worked on each day and an operator that would be seen operating a D8 early in the day, would be seen later that same day on the HD-16 while the Cat was being worked on. Coincidence? Probably, but this went on quite a while and I don't know exactly what was happening, but I never seen the HD-16 having a wrench put to it while it was there.
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Ray54
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4561 |
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I don't know where this information came from but be careful as right off the top of my head I can assure you the earliest D8 was 1H serial number and then a D8 r during WW2. Followed by 2u series. So there could be other errs in it.
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Ray54
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4561 |
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Yes I know about that in convenance. A 2 edged sword about that convenance though. Those press fit shafts with tapered splines only come apart with presses and pullers, but the spline lasts 100's of times longer than square cut splines that you can take apart without a puller. So you spend your money on tools or buying machined parts. That is why so many more Cats built in the 50's and 60's are still running. Probably more Cats than all other brands combined running from that ere. Mainly because the cuticle parts are available. I don't want to get into the argument of which is better, because a lot is left open to your idea of better. I have about as many AC as Cat tractors. So not that I dislike a good AC. And being a poor dumb farmer, I never got newer than 1950's crawlers.
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steve(ill)
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Ray, the D8 tractors started in the 1930s as you said... I just included the porting from WW2 to present to show that in 1945 the tractor had about 150 HP and today it is over 300 HP.... still called a D8. .......... Allis did the same thing with a HD16 all the way to the 16B...... and the HD21 up thru the 21C... more HP and weight.. so when your comparing two tractors, you have to use the HP and WEIGHT and not the Model number... was my point.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Utopia Points: 2041 |
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I only favor A-C because of my personal history with the brand and so many of my friends having family members that worked at the Springfield plant. Sure I worked there a couple of short stints in high school, but that wasn't enough to sway any kind of loyalty. However being a backyard mechanic "wannabe", I did take notice of the simple tools and setups being used to manufacture these tractors. Most of the hydraulic equipment, pushers and pullers were simply OTC tooling readily, and easily available from tool suppliers. I came to appreciate this even more years later when my wife started at Caterpillar in Peoria, IL as an accountant, (ultimately retiring there) and got to see some of the tooling costs associated with their equipment, and how specialized some of this was. Of course manufacturing is much different now than the mid 1970's, so that needs kept in perspective. In my short stint, (grand scheme) of being a bulldozer repairman until forced out of the job through closure and elimination, most of the brand I was exposed to were I-H. I thought they built a good tractor also at the time. Pretty much anything was easy to get in those days to keep most any tractor operational with many times a two to four hour ride in a pickup truck involved for parts retrieval as somebody had what you needed. Ma Bell played a lot in those days as internet, and cell phones didn't exist, along with people knowing how to use paper catalogs as computers were not yet a part of normal operations. Parts guys actually knew what they were selling too. So much simpler times in hindsight..... Can't say one brand is better than the other as they all competed for the same market segment and built machines to fit the need. I've not worked on much Caterpillar equipment myself, but do know they are the best for supported parts for older equipment. Never really much of a player for me as I'm so used to build up and repair/rebuild of existing parts, it's almost second nature to assume this is the path to take.
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Tad Wicks
Orange Level Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Location: Shandon, CA Points: 2165 |
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Somewhere I have an original sales brochure for the 41, on the front, was a picture of the 41 and the heading 545 HorsePower, they came out when I was just out of High School. There was an article in the Construction News (I think that was the name of it) about the 41 in it's early days, somebody was using one to rip up a concrete runway and how much it was saving the contractor and how effortless is was for the 41. When they were moving HWY 166 from Cuyama to Santa Maria, CA to the bottom of the canyon they were using one, I went to see it, but they had moved it out the day before.
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Tad Wicks
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correction. I think that it was 554 HP
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