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GreenOrange
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Posted: 21 May 2023 at 8:19am |
I need a little education… I see in my M crawler manuals there are two different sprocket types - flat tooth base and skeleton tooth base, and hitch have reliefs at the bottom. What is the advantage to one versus the other? Is it application based? I’m thinking it could be based on soil types. Thanks all!
Edited by GreenOrange - 21 May 2023 at 8:23am |
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orangeman
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 1765 |
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GreenOrange- You pose an excellent question - I see the M Crawler Manual of 1948, page 86 shows both the skeleton and flat tooth sprockets but offers no explanation for their use. That said, years later after the H-3 and HD-3 and H-4 and HD-4 Chalmers arrived AC did clarify their use in promotional materials as follows:
Quote - The sprockets hunting tooth design with an odd number of teeth lengthens the life of the sprocket teeth and track pins. This is in reference to the flat tooth sprocket. A second choice in drive sprockets available is the skeleton sprocket for operations where track packing conditions exist. The skeleton with the cut out track shoe, (note: later AC manuals refer to these as grousers) will allow material to escape the track chain. Regarding the second choice, (i.e. skeleton sprocket) have seen many of those used where the crawler was used for opening roads in the winter to get access to the maple sugar lot. We referred to them as snow chain and sprockets. The open in the shoe would allow snow to fall through the track. The grouser shoe or plate selected was typically specific to the intended application of the dozer. For the M, H-3/HD-3 and 650 series there were a total of 7 optional grousers as follows: Full Grouser Cut-Out Semi Grouser Cut - Out Snow and Ice Cut - Out Full Grouser Semi Grouser Street Plate, and Rubber Faced Grouser In closing, I will say that AC editors /tech writers that prepared the manuals did have some slips and misses on describing things or illustrating certain parts and pieces that were part of the overall machine. As you have found, the Sprockets offered for the M is one of those cases where there could have been better QA/QC on descriptions and importantly their application. HTH's ~ Orangeman
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Codger
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I have seen the "snow shoes" used on the smaller tractors but never heard them being referred to as "skeleton". Snow Cat machines use a similar shoe or track pad in many of their designs for the purpose of not allowing snow to pack into the tracks.
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Mike K
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J&H Welding has loads of dozer parts
They were an Allis Chalmers dealer Phone 906 353 6119 Contact Mike. Very knowledgable on Allis Dozer
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orangeman
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Codger: Just a clarification to the above, skeleton as AC used the term is in reference to the sprocket type and not the track grousers or shoes. It seems that whomever composed AC manuals for the AC 3 and 4 ton crawler used the terms shoes and grousers interchangeable sometimes even within the same manual.
HTH's ~ Orangeman
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GreenOrange
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Thank you for the responses - I appreciate the education. That makes a lot of sense regarding the different applications and wearability.
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Coke-in-MN
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Snow was one thing but clay and sticky material that could build up in deep part of sprocket causing the bushing to ride high on the sprocket tooth . Had problems with that buildup also in freezing conditions when one did digging basements or excavations when below zero , track would build up between links and tension would change on track .
I found then running machine back and forth out of area of soft material would clear much of that buildup from track as well as from sprocket . |
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[QUOTE=Coke-in-MN]Snow was one thing but clay and sticky material that could build up in deep part of sprocket causing the bushing to ride high on the sprocket tooth . Had problems with that buildup also in freezing conditions when one did digging basements or excavations when below zero , track would build up between links and tension would change on track .
I found then running machine back and forth out of area of soft material would clear much of that buildup from track as well as from sprocket . [/QUOTE That is where proper tension on the tracks is paramount. Just enough "give" in the track release mechanism to allow for this buildup and not bind anything. Dry tracks get quite warm through normal operation due to the friction of the pin and bushing interior rubbings. This heat is in turn radiated through the buildup and aids is softening the same helping with squeeze out, or ejection of the same.
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