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Italy Hill Produce 
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 1:46pm |
Hey can anyone tell me what the different cultivator shanks are for? IE why they are different?
I currently have one cultivator setup that came with the G (not quite complete) but all 6 shanks have a coil spring on the rear of the cultivator (to compress when you hit a rock) naturally all are rusted solid..
the second set of cultivators i have are from Fred in PA, there are only 4 shanks, but all have coil springs on the back, though these are larger coils, by looks, I would say they might have a lower seat pressure and more travel than set 1) these all appear to be in good shape, ie not rusty.
the third set I have are from Andrew K, in I.N. and they appear to be a bit rusty, but they do not have ANY springs... this leads me to believe that they are for lighter soils? IE they do not appear to trip...
I am attempting to make 2 complete sets that function as they should for my 2 G's
One G is going to be shipped to Oregon where the soil is pretty heavy with clay, but has basically zero rocks, and has nice tilth.. I was thinking the cultivator without springs would go to O.R.
The other G is staying with me, we have pretty rocky/gravely soil here in NY.. So I figured the trip-able shanks would survive better here...
Does the type of sweep matter between these three shank styles? are some earlier and some later?
Any info is much appreciated!
Jonathan
*freezing in NY*
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 3:39pm |
You better check with your buyer in Oregon!! There are places around here that are almost solid river rock !! A toy light weight cultivator won`t last long.
We have rocks bigger than your head , they hold heat real good and crops grow all night . Ask singing pig about G cultivators in the valley. Tony
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 5:31pm |
Jonathan,
Glad to see you back on and see you got the cultivators safely. Hope all was as you expected and the pick up went smoothly. It worked out well that Doug was headed here for the holidays then back to Rochester.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 6:54pm |
Part # 308219 SPRING, small diam. (Used prior to May 1949) 319760 SPRING, large diam. (Eff. May 1949) 315017 SHANK, pin break 316550 PIN, break (wood)
Send me your e-mail address by private massage and I'll e-mail a couple of pictures of the shanks from my parts book.
Dusty
Edited by Dusty MI - 14 Dec 2010 at 6:56pm
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singingpig
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 7:41pm |
Hi, Tony. If the fellow in Oregon does have rock free clay, then the ones without the trips should work. Most of the truck farmers out here use the Planet Jr cultivators on the G's. I have a nice 4 row set but can't use them because of the rocks. I have a gravelly loam that is quite rocky in spots. So I built 2 springtooth harrows. One uses off the shelf S-tines with crows feet sweeps, the other uses some C-shanks I found in Tony's driveway with just points on the business end   This is the one with the s=tines. 2inch square tube toolbar.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 7:47pm |
Here is the Planet Jr, sans the depth guage wheels. Not the difference on the 2 outside units.   closeup of the knives. These are very popular with truck farmers and onion farmers. Do you have a photo of the ones you have? Are they the single row ACs?
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Italy Hill Produce
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 7:50pm |
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COOL! Where in OR are you? It is going to my inlaw's farm in Gaston OR. They picked about 10 acres, and barely got on dump trailer full... My F.I.L. was so proud with how many rocks he picked up. I was like, yeah at my farm in NY I could have picked that many rocks in 1/4 acre...
If you have any G cultivators etc let me know and I'll let my inlaws know (once they have the G)
Thanks!
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 7:50pm |
My other home built springtooth with the C-shanks I got from Tony. I believe it is a 1 1/2 or 2 inch flat bar. The springtooth cults work great in the rocks 
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 7:52pm |
 Italy Hill Produce wrote:
COOL! Where in OR are you? It is going to my inlaw's farm in Gaston OR. They picked about 10 acres, and barely got on dump trailer full... My F.I.L. was so proud with how many rocks he picked up. I was like, yeah at my farm in NY I could have picked that many rocks in 1/4 acre...
If you have any G cultivators etc let me know and I'll let my inlaws know (once they have the G)
Thanks!
Jonathan
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Tony and I are both down SE of Salem. I know where Gaston is, NW of us towards the Coast Range. What is he going to cultivate? I'd probably let go of the Planet Jrs as they just won't work in my soil. I've put lot of work into them and they are in great shape. What are you going to cultivate? Beds of veg or single rows? I like the crowfoot sweeps because they dig in very aggressively and they are narrow. My rows are on 12 inch centers. 1st cultivation usually when the seedlings have their 1st true leaves, I gow down the middle between the rows. 2nd cultivation in another 7-10 days I make 2 passes/bed. 1 hugging one side of the bed as close to the row as possible, turn around and hug the other side on the way back, trying to kick a little soil into the rows to cover the spaces between the seedlings but not the seedlings.
Edited by singingpig - 14 Dec 2010 at 8:02pm
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 8:21pm |
When all works according to plan, it looks like this:  Salad greens...these came out very clean. The short ones in the front are the ones I have harvested recently  Beets...harvest sized with some lambsquarters in the rows, but plenty clean enough.
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Italy Hill Produce
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 9:45pm |
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lol those look gorgeous! You can tell it's OR by the raspberries...
The inlaws farm just about everything, lots of winter greens, garlic, all kinds of root veggies, pop corn, and corn for polenta.. Actually it would be shorter to list the things they don't grow.. They sell to several restaurants in Portland, and at one or two farmer's markets...
I would love more info on those cultivator setups...
Jonathan
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Italy Hill Produce
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 9:49pm |
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They are in a part of the willamet (sp?) valley. Very few rocks.. If you are looking to part with the planet Jr setup let me know. Once I get the G out to them, They'll have a better idea of what sort of stuff they'll need..
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 9:53pm |
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They're doing the same thing I've done for 22 years, now. I'm in the Willamette Valley, too. Probably 90 minutes SW of them.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 9:56pm |
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Steve, Looks great as always. You put the effort in those veggies. I always like to see your pics.Tracy Martin
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 9:57pm |
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They've been at it for 13 or 14 years.
Whats your farm called?
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 10:04pm |
Italy Hill Produce wrote:
They've been at it for 13 or 14 years.
Whats your farm called?
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 10:05pm |
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yeah... I got that after I posted that lol
Are you guys organic?
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 10:06pm |
Tracy Martin TN wrote:
Steve, Looks great as always. You put the effort in those veggies. I always like to see your pics.Tracy Martin |
Thanks, Tracy. Best wishes to you and your family this Chistmas season.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 10:10pm |
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nevermind.. googled your farm :)
Sounds cool! I bet you know my inlaws too.. Do you do any farmer's markets?
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 10:14pm |
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I'm organic, always have been. Of course, you don't want to say that here because someone will come in and starting hating on you. lol
I only do restaurants..don't like farmers' markets.
What's you in laws farm name?
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 10:14pm |
You have seen a mixture of cultivators that were made for the G. The G was probably the most cultivatable (?) tractor made. Even when it was introduced in 1948 we were shown the basic one row corn cultivator with several types of shovels from the wooden pin trip, the spring trip, and the spring tooth. The single tool bar to which a myrid of disks and shanks could be attached to set up whatever cultivator or bed maker was wanted. The double tool bar cultivator frame to which an multitude of shanks and teeth could be attached. Then came the independ gang cultivators up to six rows of very close cultivation. Some are shown above. To this was added the ingunity of the customers or dealers to make cultivator attachments for very specific types of operation. For example we used a single tool bar with two disks to make up beds with the inverted V to give them a slight crown on the rear furrowing bar. The purchaser improved on our invention to make it even more efficient.
We used to say to customers show us what you want to cultivate. We will find or make a clutivator to do an efficient job.
Hope this is some help. I have Pop's 1960 price book which may be of some help since even though the G was not made at the time special runs of specific cultivators were always available when there was enough demand.
Good Luck!
Bill long
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 10:23pm |
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Please tell us more, Bill.
The independent gang types are like the Planet Jr I posted. Very versatile and each unit floats up and down indepenently of the others to follow the contours of the ground better. Also, a rock in one row would only raise that unit and the others would be unaffected.
Mine came with small disks that can be bolted on just in front of the knives to act as a crop shield. At the back of the units is another mount where people will put a sweep or a 5-tine cultivator to really clean the row after the knives undercut.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 11:32pm |
I cultivate everything with this homemade cultivator....just can't seem to get the factory ones to work right. I need to get a set made for my Blue G now! The Blue G has better clearance and is like sitting in an easy chair....
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Posted: 14 Dec 2010 at 11:42pm |
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The spring tooth with point or with separate shares are still available from places like Shoup (www.shoupparts.com) though theirs might be heavier than needed for the G.
Gerald J.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 12:00am |
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Bored with Hawaii yet Eldon?
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"If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer"
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Yeah...I think we are both ready to go home tomorrow, 1000 miles on the rental car, no sign of Orange on the island...oh well, the way things rust over here it probably wouldn't have looked good anyway.....
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Italy Hill Produce
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Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 6:22am |
LOL this is an awesome thread! definitely needs more pictures!
I know what you mean about mentioning Organic, My in-laws are Ayres Creek Farm, if you've been a part of any of the ODA humbug about food safety, you've met my F.I.L. he doesn't bite his tongue about ridiculous legislation.
I grew up on my family's grape farm and winery, Trust me, grape growers get picked on just as much as organic farmers by the "real farmers." It is funny, some people consider themselves "real farmers" because they use big tractors, tons of pesticides, and can't operate in the black without government subsidies. I went to school, FFA and 2 colleges with people like that, It doesn't bother me that I can make a decent living on only a handful of acres without the help of the federal government and monsanto.
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Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 6:46am |
Posted these earlier this summer. Dual Allis toolbar w/ Planet Jr. disks and knives. The disks and knives attach to the 90 degree shanks. The ducksfoot sweep would need a straight shank (which I am looking for).
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Posted: 15 Dec 2010 at 6:57am |
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I'd love to find one (or two) of those dual allis tool bars!
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