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Patching a Leaky Block?

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    Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 6:42pm
The 39 B I purchased this spring had a couple of "wet trails" weeping down the block, from behind the carb.  I incorrectly assumed the block petcock was leaky or loose.  Now after removing the carb and closely inspecting, I can see the leaks are coming from very small cracks in the casting line that runs right above/through the threaded hole for the petcock.  What would you guys suggest?  It looks like it's been doing it for a long time (from the stain streaks on the block) and I don't notice significant loss of fluid.  I was wondering about draining the coolant, drying the block real good, and applying a liberal amount of JB Weld.  Any advice would be really appreciated.
 
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a friend of mine had a 283 chebby that had a crack and leaked coolant, the machinist that he uses did a repair by draining and cleaning ,grinding the crack with a grinder past the visible ends of the crack (dont get wild and grind deep, just enough to make the epoxy stick) and used epoxy to fill the crack. been a couple of years and no leak yet. give it a go ,it cant hurt...just my opinion...Jb
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use a nickle wellding rod  drill the ends of the crack. or  drill and tap into the crack with smal bolts notched to break off then V it out and fill with JB weld. Make sue everything is clean

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I wouldn't recommend welding(as you can be chasing cracks making them bigger) but that is just me.  Small crack like that I would suggest brazing or the second option Dave A listed is a good one, typically called stitching.  Companies make kits (such as Locknstitch or irontite).  Done correctly it is invisible and leak free. 
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Drain the block,  and pull the sleeves. You now have access to the back side of the casting, around the petcock hole. Clean that area super well, glass beading would work great, if you can get the nozzle in there. Spray it all down good with brake cleaner and let it dry out.
 
Mix up your JB Weld and apply to the INSIDE of the block (where you just cleaned). Allow it to cure thoroughly. Reinstall your sleeves and put water in the block. Check for leaks....
 
There is no pressure in a '39 system, so this "invisible" repair should hold as long as you are around.
 
If you don't like JB Weld, I have had great success with a "Plastic Steel" compound designed to repair pressure radiators. It holds pressure to 750 lbs, and 800 degrees temperature.  Most guys are familiar with JB and want to stay with what they know.
 
If the "spider cracks" bother you on the outside, just put more primer there and fill them that way, before you finish paint the engine.


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Listen to Dave A you need to find the end of the crack and drill it, tap it and plug it or the crack will keep going. Then you can V grind the length and fill with a quality epoxy probuct, I prefer Marine Tex my self.
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The best epoxy for this type of repair is Belzona 1111 Super Metal. 
It is even specified by Caterpillar.  There are several major engine rebuild shops using Belzona for this type and many other repairs. 
Three basic things to remember when doing a repair with any epoxy.
1. The surface MUST BE CLEAN.  Since steel is basically porous, the surface should have any visible contaminants removed. Use a low temperature flame to sweat the en-grained oils to the surface and wipe them away with a non petroleum based solvent (acetone, MEK).
2. The surface MUST BE FIRM.  The repair will not be successful if the part moves.  It should be mechanically locked down (metal stitching, drill tap bolt method, strategic welding).
3. The surface MUST BE ROUGH.  Most epoxies have good tensile strength but they need to be able to tooth into the surface.  Blast cleaning with a coarse angular abrasive (Black Beauty) will produce an ideal profile for the epoxy to lock into.  Other methods are also acceptable such as grinding or scoring.  Anything to roughen the surface and create more surface area than a smooth surface.
Follow the manufactures instructions.  Do not try to adjust the mixing ratio. 
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I would go to Auto Zone or some such place and buy a little plastic can of aluminum looking powder to pore into the water. I had a leaking head gasket on an 83 Omni Charger at 120,000 miles. I put that stuff in and ran another 100,000 before the back wheels started falling off with no more water leaks.
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If you are going to go to all the trouble of getting to the insdie of the block.  All you need to do is clean it good and paint it.  Cast is pourous and natually leaks/seeps.  Painting it seals it so it does not.  Probably just wore the original paint off and that is where your seeping is coming from.  Don't attemp the major surgery if all you need is a couple stiches. 
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If you go to all the trouble to get inside the block, get another one. 125 blocks are plentiful... If it were mine, I'd put some GM seal tabs like what they recommend for Caddys in it and see what happens.
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If its just weeping, you can try the silver solder radiator stop leak. Another alternative is the ceramic leak sealer that requires you to thoroghly flush the coolant sytstem to remove all the antifreeze, fill with fresh water, dump the sealer in, run the engine for an hour or so to get it hot, drain the water, and let set for 12-24 hours, then refill with antifreeze solution. Used the stuff to cure a leak in the rear of a 262D between the head and block. Worked great (and still is) and a whole lot cheaper than pulling the head, etc.
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go to Auto Zone and buy some BArs head gasket leak sealer. Copper color liquid that mixes with the antifreeze and will seal ANYHTING. Fo r$10. you cant go wrong. It will seal head gaskets and manifold leaks also.
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Greg - Can you suppluy brand bames for the silver solder stop leak and ceramic product you have used?
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Belzona is good stuff but you need to find someone that has some on hand. I bought the smallest amout they would sell for my tool shop and with shipping it was a little over 300 bucks.  I used some to repair a bent shaft. applied it to the low side and ground it back to diameter. I had a bout .100 in the thickest place. That area went inside a pulley. It worked just like the rep said it would.
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Thanks for all the advice guys.  I think I know the approach to take now...just need to decide which epoxy product to use.  When drilling and tapping for the small screws, do you do that prior to grinding out a "V" in the crack, or after grinding it?
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