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EdK 
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Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 7:25pm |
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I know California politicos have officially stated that starting somewhere around 2035 no more gas vehicles will be sold in the state. I'm not sure how many other states have made similar mandates. My question is are the tractor or heavy industrial equipment manufactures working on electrical powered equipment to meet these requirements? It's time to rejuvenate the A-C fuel cell tractor.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 8:23pm |
JD has a few prototypes out.........
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Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 8:36pm |
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The big thing with electric EVERYTHING, is our electricity grid cannot begin to come close to being able to charge batteries, while providing our current electric needs. I guess the children running the country (Biden & Company) are happy with brown-outs all the time, but it will never affect their lives, just like $5 dollar gas doesn't affect them now. How stupid can people be ?? This kind of technology needs to be gradually brought in over 20 years or more, but by then China and Russia will be ruling the world.
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Posted: 23 Jun 2022 at 11:22pm |
Germany has been forced to revert back to burning coal to generate power after moving aggressively into solar and wind for the past 20 years. The big challenge with solar/wind is reliability making them unsuitable for base load power generation. Battery storage capability for the scale required in the world to manage base load storage is just not practical
And power costs increase when solar/wind facilities are installed, but need to backed up with coal/gas/nuclear to provide base load reliability. A very expensive way to provide power..........double the generation capacity required
The green solution is to live with blackouts. I am not ready for that solution!!!
Dr Allis has noted the challenge for the Grid Infrastructure..........another detail the Greenies do not address
Germany has learned some very expensive, embarrassing lessons chasing the green dream
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 5:59am |
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General Electric had an electric Garden Tractor/Lawnmower back in the 70s. Didn't sell all the well as I recall and the ones that did, were not in use for long.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:10am |
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Dr. Allis nailed it. Wait till these morons plug in all the new-electric cars and burn the grid down.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:43am |
 DrAllis wrote:
The big thing with electric EVERYTHING, is our electricity grid cannot begin to come close to being able to charge batteries, while providing our current electric needs. I guess the children running the country (Biden & Company) are happy with brown-outs all the time, but it will never affect their lives, just like $5 dollar gas doesn't affect them now. How stupid can people be ?? This kind of technology needs to be gradually brought in over 20 years or more, but by then China and Russia will be ruling the world. |
I agree, renewables like solar and wind cannot handle what the industry calls peak loading, the only sources that can handle peak loading are nuclear, steam and Hydro. But these fools in Washington don't seem to care that the infrastructure for green energy is not even in place yet nor do they seem to care that electric cars are too expensive for a large portion of this population to buy.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 7:19am |
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AND, I heard the other day (heresay) that a replacement battery on a new F-150 electric pickup was $18,000 bucks !! Could this even be possible ?? and if it is, what will the price be when the truck is say 5 or 6 yrs old when actual battery replacement is needed ??
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 7:57am |
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A few years back I talked to a guy from Tesla at the Auto show in Detroit about their battery. The battery is a part of the subframe of the car. There is no battery replacement in an economic manner. You scrap the car and get a new one. I don't know if things have gotten better with reman since then or not. I know France has a huge problem with this. They went all electric years ago for taxis, government vehicles, etc. and now they have scrap yards full of not so old electric cars that are worth nothing because it is too expensive to replace the battery. The only way I see an electric tractor be feasible at all is if it has quick change batteries similar to power tools or electric forklifts in a factory. But then you go back to charge that mammoth of a battery and you'll need a mammoth of a charger for it and we are right back to the problem with the grid.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 8:57am |
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France, Germany and Italy ( and more) are reopening their old coal fired power plants.. There is NO REPLACEMENT until they develop the new "NUKES" .... working on units that will power a small city of 10,000 homes... Will be hundreds of them SOMEDAY... probably take 20 years from now.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 9:07am |
DrAllis wrote:
The big thing with electric EVERYTHING, is our electricity grid cannot begin to come close to being able to charge batteries, while providing our current electric needs. I guess the children running the country (Biden & Company) are happy with brown-outs all the time, but it will never affect their lives, just like $5 dollar gas doesn't affect them now. How stupid can people be ?? This kind of technology needs to be gradually brought in over 20 years or more, but by then China and Russia will be ruling the world. |
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 9:29am |
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JCB of Britain has video out of there electric loaders and backhoes. But then they easy you into hydrogen is better option for mobile equipment, and are putting lots of effort into it.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 9:53am |
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I keep hearing Green Hydrogen is Coming, is no such thing just a invented idea. To be green it would have to take less energy to produce than delivers and that just does not happen.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 10:29am |
RE: Europe re-starting coal power plants.
At least they have the old coal plants. In the US the Dimwits would create a hair brained "Cash for Clinkers" program that would require you to destroy the old coal fired plant.
Seems to me the utility/grid people are keeping mum about grid collapse. But it could just be the news don't want to talk about it.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 11:30am |
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It would be ok for a chore tractor that runs a couple hours a day then gets parked close to or in a shed to recharge. But not practical for a custom crew running 6 big combines and a couple cart tractors and a fleet of semis, running between 12 and 24 hours a day. Or a road construction crew running 20 big bulldozers,track-hoes, and off-road dump trucks to recharge every day.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 12:33pm |
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"Green Energy" is a pipedream of the scientifically ignorant and the mathematically inept.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 12:45pm |
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How many you-all are using battery powered drill drivers? How do the construction guys get through a day with battery powered nailers?
Electric weed whackers? Factory fork trucks?
Swap battery packs... Or swap machines.
Home/Farm solar is a solution. It might take ten acres of panels to charge custom combine business every day.
What I think would be cool: Tesla motor kit and battery block to convert an old stuck motor Allis WD over.
Or retired farmers that don't use their panels much after planting and harvesting to sell the power to the local city.
That's where I changed my attitude about electric everything. A farmer can control his fuel.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 12:58pm |
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BUTT, BUTT......... WHO is PAYING for the Solar Panels ?? and they crap out in 10-15 years also ...... coal fired power plant has a 60 year life.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 1:11pm |
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JCB sells a backhoe that they target towns/cities that is battery. Mainly used as it does not disturb people with engine noise.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 4:18pm |
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As usual; Doc hit the nail on the head. But the far left liberals have complete control of the "Energizer Bunny" and "Laughing Hyena" occupying the White House.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 5:48pm |
from JCB's own website for the mini excavator... The 3 battery pack will last for 4 continuous hours, equivalent to a full day's work, subject to the type of job.
Since WHEN is FOUR hours considered a FULL days work in heavy construction ?????
Everyone I know usually works 10-12 hrs a day....
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:00pm |
For a 400 Hp tractor running on battery, to work a 12 hour day, would require a 3600KWh battery. I was able to find a 3000KWh battery, and its cost was $280,000.00. A friend of my Wife's, was telling us about the solar panels they put on their roof, with a three day battery backup. The cost of the solar panels was $34,000.00, and they save $240.00 a month. At 5% interest, the solar panels will be paid for about the time they need replacing.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 6:19pm |
Must be the NEW MATH that tells you spending $34,000. NOW will be a better idea, than spending $240. a month for the next 12 years and KEEPING MOST OF YOUR MONEY DRAWING INTEREST in the mean time....  
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 7:59pm |
This probably belongs in the other forum re political crap but what you all are missing in this conversion is the magical fairy dusting of federal funding that comes out of nowhere until it bites you in the a.. in the form of inflation or worse yet, the ultimate downfall of this country.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 8:02pm |
local COOP was going to get a 1 MW wind mill about 10 years ago.... I questioned the COST......... Director reply to everyone... "Well, if the FED pays for 50% and the State pays for 25%... it is ALMOST WORTH WHILE" !!! 
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 8:57pm |
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The guy that put all that coal and oil in the ground, meant for us to use it. MACK
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Posted: 24 Jun 2022 at 9:55pm |
An old quote comes to mind.......
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help" ,,,,,,,,,,,,, President Ronald Reagan, August 12, 1986
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Posted: 25 Jun 2022 at 6:03am |
also... 'defecit budget' (all guvs....)
and.. 'minimum payment $10' (on credit cards)
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Posted: 25 Jun 2022 at 7:00am |
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Just heard our county school system has applied for an electric bus. Has a 100 mile charge takes an hour to charge it and battery replacement is $100,000 and they talking a 5 year life
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Posted: 25 Jun 2022 at 7:13am |
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And, where do all those batteries go when they are used up ?? Nuclear waste material doesn't take up nearly as much space as batteries, does it ????
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