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    Posted: 26 Feb 2022 at 10:33pm
Guys I just got done reading 2 different articles about mounting rear tires. These articals popped up on Google Chrome. They were written by 2 different authors. They are bout 95% total BS. They only thing 1 guy got right was, "do not use soapy water, grease, or oil to mount tractor tires, get some tire mounting lube.". Guys I spent 22 years mounting new tires, fixing flats and doing anything else needed to keep you guys in the field. 1 of them told everyone " you need to lay under the tractor to remove the tubes." Total BS. Guys I enjoyed fixing, repairing, and selling rears and combine tires. The toughest tires I ever mounted were French built Kliebers which became Michelin. The toughest repair I ever did was on a Deere. The inner weight had come off the hub, dropped down and broke off the valve stem that was mounted on the inside of the rim.   It was a bear to get that 4-500 lb weight lifted back up and bolted back on the center hub by myself. I was able to use a combination of a come along and a couple of jacks wedged under it the get it back up and in place. Lucky 3 of the bolts were still in the hub and I found enough nuts and washers in the guys tool box and my service truck to bolt it back in place. If my dam back hadn't self destructed I'd still be doing it.

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I'd PAY (yeah, you her me right).. to see the guy in the utube video that installs a 'flap' in a model A(?) tire/rim in 60 seconds come here while I shoot the video of HIM installing the flap in my forklift right rear tire/rim combo(6.5-10).
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A couple of years ago I bought two used tires for my Model C AC; they were mounted on rims that fit something else, I forget the brand.

I bought new rims, then proceeded to break the beads loose on the old rims using my backhoe; so far so good.

It didn't take long for me to decide to haul them to the local tire shop; those tires are so stiff they will hold that little Model C up with no air in them. The tire shop guy said they were about the worst he had ever seen.

Sometimes it pays to pay someone to do the job.
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I still have all the tools needed but sublet the work. Anything larger than a car tire goes to the tire dealer.  
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I agree with Les. 

A few years back, I was trying to change a WD tire. My wife agreed to help. After struggling for a long time (and a very colorful vocabulary), one of my bars slipped and I missed hitting her in the head by inches. I decided it was time to take it to a tire shop.

The guy at the tire shop finished changing it in a few minutes and charged me $20.

 Some things are just better to leave to the pros!!!


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I put new rears on my WD about 25 years ago, wrestling match for sure but got it done.
Don't know if I would do it again by myself.

About the same year I mounted 2 new rears on a JD 60 that were fluid filled.
Been on there for 30 years. Had to fix the rims because of rust from the calcium.
8 hours per tire. Lot better shape then still kicked my butt. That death machine learned a whole new language from me in those 2 days and then I drove it 15 miles home.


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I happily pay the guys at the local tire shop to do mine, although I have the tools to do it myself.  The guys at the tire shop are friends of mine and they have families to feed too!!

Tire work has never been "fun work" to me!
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I changed the tires on my IH 460 Utility myself - 16.9 x24 with fluid - All day project 
Seems old tires would not bar over rim no matter what I tried so saws all the bead on both , new tires went on easily - well once rim and weights were removed from tractor and laid flat on ground .
 Now 18.4 x24 tubeless tires on my AC 715B TLB came off easily and new tires went on with no problem - and then trying to air them up became the problem of getting bead to reach rim edges . So after hours of truing every idea I could think of in collapsing tire center to force bead up into position - loaded them into the truck and off to tire dealer I bought them from .
 3 guys trying all their ideas and no luck - next they went to another tire shop nearby and borrowed 2 chetas (air tank with nozzle) and along with their 2 it took a couple tries to get rims and tires to hold air . Even had a come along wrapped around tire to pull the center in like i had done .  

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I have always done my own. My dad taught me when I was young.
The hardest I ever done while in a tire shop were log skidded tires.
I, just this week had new tires put on the I600 backhoe I bought. First time I’ve ever paid to have tractor tires changed or fixed.
My back is shot and I welcomed the idea.
I was about done in by the time I loaded the old tires n wheel in my truck.
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Starting fluid is your friend if you know how to do it.
Gets tricky if you don't about it.
Done hundreds mounting U-Haul tires when I was a lot younger 
in a really crappy job I had. Only way to do it.

22.5 I think stacked 12 high. beads were about 2" apart mounted.
Starting fluid still gives me a headache smelling it.


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Tires can be tough, especially when they are petrified, Coke has the right ideaSmile I use ratchet straps to pull in the tubeless type, my dad had a thing that was a piece of strap probably 1 inch x 1/8 spring steel and it wrapped around the tire and then doubled part way around and then an adjustable chain hooked to a ram that you used air pressure to pull the whole works in the same as a come along, it worked great, wish that I had it today.
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Originally posted by fixer1958 fixer1958 wrote:

Starting fluid is your friend if you know how to do it.
Gets tricky if you don't about it.
Done hundreds mounting U-Haul tires when I was a lot younger 
in a really crappy job I had. Only way to do it.

22.5 I think stacked 12 high. beads were about 2" apart mounted.
Starting fluid still gives me a headache smelling it.

long time ago I mentioned using starting fluid on here to mount tires, something I have done most of my life and was scolded for such practice. said it was dangerous and I was going to kill somebody. danged if I remember who it was now. I never did kill anyone
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It was me.  You will never know who you kill, until it's too late.  In the case of my Father's defense of his client (a major tire recapping organization), the victim was a young girl, who was walking along a sidewalk, holding her mother's hand.  After the truck tire exploded, it left her mother holding the little girl's hand, but the rest of the girl's body was painted into the wall of a grocery store.

Spraying flammables inside a tire is a lethal hazard, because it burns, and expands, until either you
1) run out of fuel
or
2) run out of oxygen.

In the case of the latter, that means there's still volatile fuel inside.  What's the next thing you do, once the bead is seated?

You put an air-hose on it, and pump it up.

That's adding oxygen.

And you put pressure on it.  That's compression.

What's left?  A source of ignition.  A little static electricity... a little heat.

BOOM.


Stupid people use flames to seat tires.

Use the Cheetah... that's what they're for.
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Originally posted by LouSWPA LouSWPA wrote:

Originally posted by fixer1958 fixer1958 wrote:

Starting fluid is your friend if you know how to do it.
Gets tricky if you don't about it.
Done hundreds mounting U-Haul tires when I was a lot younger 
in a really crappy job I had. Only way to do it.

22.5 I think stacked 12 high. beads were about 2" apart mounted.
Starting fluid still gives me a headache smelling it.

long time ago I mentioned using starting fluid on here to mount tires, something I have done most of my life and was scolded for such practice. said it was dangerous and I was going to kill somebody. danged if I remember who it was now. I never did kill anyone


Ive always used it as well.
Last time I tried it was on a front backhoe tire. The stuf would barely burn and never would explode.
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Originally posted by Thad in AR. Thad in AR. wrote:

Ive always used it as well.
Last time I tried it was on a front backhoe tire. The stuf would barely burn and never would explode.


People say that about diesel fuel and gasoline, too... pour it out on the ground and light it... pour black powder, smokeless powder, and trinitrotolulene out on the ground and light it... it burns.  These people have absolutely no understanding of the physics of burn cycle, but it would serve well to learn how burn process works.  It is particularly useful for those wishing to understand how performance of internal combustion engines actually works.

Pack a combustible, mixed with oxygen, it in a tight space, it explodes.  Why?  Because it is under pressure, AND the pressure RISES while it burns.  The initial pressure is low, and as it burns, the fact that it is contained, causes the pressure to increase dramatically.
 
Let's say you put a CUP of gasoline into a tractor tire, then seal up the tire, and put 15psi into that tire.  You have just placed 7500btu of chemical energy into a confined, pressure-tight vessel, yielding the equivalent of 6 sticks of dynamite.

Let's say that the moment the vapors ignite, the interior pressure is 15psi (one atmosphere above standard).  The heat generated at ignition causes the interior temperature to increase, which results (Combined Gas Law) in thermal expansion of the gas, but against a containment, it cannot, so pressure rises.  Since there's 7500btu of energy in that fuel mix, the end result PRESSURE of a given volume can be calculated.  Without doing too much math in detail, it would only take about 1/100th of a cup of gasoline for that tire's internal pressure to rise to 350psi... and there's plenty more fuel and air left.  IF the tire is strong enough, it would simply keep rising, and exceed 900psi.

How do you think the story ends?  It ends with the tire detonating.

Do this... take a good tractor tire... pour in some ether, gasoline, whatever... through the stem.  Pump it up to just 10psi.  Poke a hole into the tire with an awl, down to about a quarter-inch from the rim.  Ground the rim, connect the awl to an ignition coil.  Stand back about 400 yards, and give it a spark.
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This is, by the way, a REALLY GOOD REASON NOT to weld on a wheel, if there's a tire mounted.  Some dumb@$$ using ether to mount the tire, and YOU end up a gelatainous goo on the roof of your workshop, alongside the hole that the rim left as it was launched to SpaceEx.

Dismount the tire first.
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  So I suppose gasoline or acetylene are frowned on as well, I've seen both used.
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I watched the Firestone safety you tube more than once, as well as related about welding on a wheel with a tire mounted. It is not so much the ether and the flame or boom, but the chemical reaction THAT CAN START. Only happens as a once every X  thousand. But no way to know until it goes boom. The one big wheel loader tire went BOOM about 24 hours after the wheel was welded on. So with my bone getting acky and stiff time to just take them to town.


If anybody is still left reading. When did changing them still mounted to the axle start. Not that it was fun, but I was not bad with the bead breaker hammer. As I split a lot of firewood with 6 lb maul growing up. But after seeing a guy doing that to a wheel on my tractor just the wrong place/angle for me. They just need to be laying down. 

Had both rears replaced on a 1975 White 2-60 tractor that had original tires in 2010 or about. One had been leaking and run low a bit. It came off easy he had it done in a hour. The other one had very been low or leaked, he had 8 hours in that one. Maybe this was the job that pushed him from pot head to crack head. Last I heard he was a homeless living in the riverbed here, with all the other crackheads.

If you have screw type bead breaker  I can see it more. Add a hydraulic arm on a service truck to run around the wheel and peel the bead over the rim once it was started, is genius. This was a guy doing more earth moving tires than ag. But he would sell tractor and combine tires too.
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Guys I been remembering good and bad with rear tractor tires. The hardest ones I took off were original equipment Firestone's on a 1855 Oliver. The tires broke down OK but the factory guys mounted the tires when the paint on the rims was still wet. I got the outside bead off the rims but the tube was stuck to the rims so bad it took me 3-4 hours to change that pair. Normally took less than 1 hour to do both. Worst combine tire I replaced was on a Massy. Down hill side of the machine grain tank loaded, couldn't get the wagon under the auger to get the grain off the combine. Ground was very soft. I had 5 chunks of rail road tie I kept on the truck along with a half dozen other blocks. I kept jacking and shoving blocks under the darn thing. I wound up using every block I had on the truck and wished I had 1 more. The guy had taken the. key with him so i could not start the combine to lower the 6 row corn head. When I got done, I could not get the bottom block out of the hole. It had sunk about 2' in the ground. As far as I know it may still be there. And then there's the 1460 with a 6 row corn head on it. Guy was going down the road, turned a corner and the steering arm broke putting him in the ditch. Not a deep ditch, knocked the 1 driver off the rim. I got it up, put a tube in the tire,set the machine Back down. We had a big wrecker hooked to the machine just to hold it in place so it wouldn't fall off the jack. The guy operating the wrecker started pulling and that darn corn head came off the machined and crashed to the ground. I had just crawled out from under it a few seconds earlier. Insurance company paid for my trip, labor, a new tube and a new corn head .
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I've used ether to seat beads a lot in years gone by. I now have a bead blaster tank so no longer a need. I never really thought much about it as a lot of the tire shops used it to seat beads on troublesome tires. 

Had a mobile home once loaded with furniture break the center out of the rim during a move and I welded this back together with the tire on alongside the interstate. I however did remove the valve core so no pressure build and did allow cooling time between stitch welding the center back to the rim. These centers were actually triple spot welded to the rim and they fractured. The repair didn't give a problem and never heard back from the party so assume it went alright on the balance of their move.

They did rent a U-Haul truck and lightened the trailer at the next rest stop as that was the second rim destroyed on the move and no spare immediately available on a later Saturday afternoon.  
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me thinks that ELDON on this forum has mounted/dismounted more tractor tires than all us put together! where's he slumm'n now?  
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Dave did these stories really happen ? 

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