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Claus
Orange Level Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Location: Hebron In Points: 1152 |
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Posted: 07 Jan 2010 at 6:57am |
What do you wish AC would have built? I wish they would have built a larger tractor than the WD45, the 45 was a great tractor but I wish they would have built something larger like the Molines of that time. I like to see the antique tractor pulls but when you see a Case 900, Cockshutt 50 or a 80 Deere, there is nothing orange to compete with them. Also wish the 6095 (6080 with 301 turbo) would have made it into production, I bet that would have been a real nice tractor.
How about a large round baler for the hay guys. What else?
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4858 |
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a 6095 should be a bolt together deal. except sheet metal of course. I am suprised we havent seen one pop up on here! there are alot of innovative people on this forum. remember the WD95 was it? Alot of the tractors that never made it past the planning stage could be "built" by some of these craftsmen! make sure you post lots of pics for us to enjoy. Ed.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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gary ny
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: verona ny Points: 361 |
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I would have like to see the little 4 wheel drive that used the ce motor built . I saw a Massey Harris 4 wheel drive at the goto in canada last and though how great it would be to have one of those little allis 4 wheel drives up here
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omahagreg
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Points: 2800 |
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Norm Swinford talks of a large round baler they were working on, but abandoned when the ground drive did not work. I wonder why a PTO drive was not tried-maybe it was considered too innovative?
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Greg Kroeker
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Claus
Orange Level Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Location: Hebron In Points: 1152 |
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Actually they were looking at putting their name on someone else's junk machine, bad idea X2!
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AllisFreak MN
Orange Level Access Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1538 |
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I wish they wouldn't have bailed out of the hay equipment business in the mid 70's. I have an old 904 mower conditioner from the early 70's?? that I still use, but parts are hard to come by.
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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2
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gary ny
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: verona ny Points: 361 |
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I remember new holland had an early big round baler that didn t tie it it just raped it into a very loose bale.the farmer I was working for was all excited about it when he borrowed it and baled a 20 acre field with it.we took the loader down to pick them up and they just fell apart.He was fit to be tied then it started raining and it rained for 4 days straight ,I had laught my butt off because I thought it was not a good idea to bale it all like that but he told me to mind my own business this is the the new way lol.when the hay piles finally dried out they made real nice burn piles all over the field .But i told him the grass where we burned is coming in nice and thick so at least you will get some decent second cutting out of it lol.
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Rfdeere
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Idaville, IN Points: 3283 |
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I wish they would have built Farm Tractors after 1985.
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Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners,
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Byron WC in SW Wi
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635 |
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Allis was really innovative in implements. They had the first production round baler, a front unloading manure spreader, first no-till corn planter, arguably the best pull type combine, an excellent design in the silent weed killer, I think the first min-till disc-chise, an excellent mon-frame plow with hydraulic reset, etc. I think it would've been nice if AC just improved those. There are tons of front unloading manure spreaders now, big round balers are everywhere, the corn planter improved and is still one of the best, the silent weed killer could've been beefed up and had more trash clearance put in it, etc. I wish they would've improved/made those things.
From a tractor perspective when AC ended they didn't make a tractor smaller than 70 hp in house. And, the transmission and FWA was not made by them in the 60-60/70/80 models. In the larger 8000's they were going to outsource the engines. At the time was there a better tractor in the 100+ hp class than the 8000's? I don't think so. Look at todays tractors. They have some new features like CVT and electronic controls but you take that out and the 8000's still compare favorably. They could've improved the FWA turning radius and made a smaller frame for the 100-120 hp tractors and gotten bigger on the other end. |
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dairyfarmer (soIL)
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Germantown IL Points: 53 |
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of the other colors of the era none had a fwa setup like the 8000 series did but nad most didnt have powershift but the pwershift is doggie in these compared to a power director in my opininon it is hard to say where they would have went if they did things different
dairyfarmer
"remember today is the tommorrow you worried about yesterday"
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morton(pa)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lancaster, PA Points: 1234 |
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I wish they would have built the B with the WC engine in it, (the opposite of the RC). I sure would like to see how that matched up in some of the pulls. I wonder if they were able to get the gearing just right on that? I also would have liked to see the 4WD that used the CE engine, and something that was on the size scale between the B/C and the WD-45, and something larger then the WD-45 in the same time period.
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Brian Ahart
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 372 |
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While we're dreaming, how about a: * D10/12 Series III Diesel using the D175 engine * WD55 with the G230 or 262 and experimental five (or was it six) speed transmission that never made it into production (mentioned in Norm's book) * D15 Series III with the D17 IV hydraulic system |
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A-C Weight ID reference and other goodies at brianahart.net
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Calvin Schmidt
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4520 |
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Brian; You beat me to it. D-15 Series III deisel with a D175 turbo.
Gary. I have all the parts to build a small A-C articulated FWD. (4W93) (1 of 0)
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LloydCentWi
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 300 |
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How about a 201 or 226 engine converted to diesel, with a turbo, for the WD,WD45s, D17s etc....< id="gwProxy" ="">< ="jsCall;" id="jsProxy" ="">
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Shawn PA
Silver Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Hickory PA Points: 164 |
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a 200 with 426 turbo for all the pullers
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4858 |
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as good as 236/248 perkins engines are, I would like to put a 200cid 433I AC engine into a 170/175. then it would be a thoroughbred!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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gary ny
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: verona ny Points: 361 |
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Calvin When are you going to get started building it? I will volenteer to paint it for you just to drive it around for a few days lol,Lets get it done for the show in canadaua in 2013.
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Eldon (WA)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Points: 7765 |
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D10/D12 would have been great with a power director....and a diesel option! Sometimes I think the bean counters brought AC down.
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MI8050
Orange Level Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Location: West Central MI Points: 226 |
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Hows about actually putting the spring reset prototype plow they hade at least one of into production. Or even a spring reset plow for that matter, I thought that prototype looked like a real modern setup from the photos.
An F4 or F5 Gleaner!
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JC-WI
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 33778 |
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InjpumpEd quote, "would like to put a 200cid 433I AC engine into a 170/175."
Yes! that would be nice.
D19 Diesel came with a turboed 262, to drop the 433I into it. Would have gone from 67 pto to app. 83HP.
But to keep pace with what they had back in those years, the 4DI344 engine would be another choice. would have had to beef the trans and rr ends up.
On another thought, they were already running 3400 engine (D21) and I would bet the 2500 or 2800 engines were available to had dropped them in.
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TerryMN
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Rochester MN Points: 201 |
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8095 should have been built
6095 should have been built
7000 series should have had the prototype cab put on they were testing
170/180/190 with Front wheel assist
220 four wheel drive tractor that white built for Allis.
The model D
The model F
The model H-1
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archangel_cpj
Silver Level Joined: 31 Dec 2009 Points: 186 |
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I would have been curious to see what the next series would look like probably call it a 900 or some dang thing like that but I cant believe that the 426 engine would have made it past the 8000 series the competition was too great there had to be something there to compete with the larger JD motors etc out there... I wonder if the 426 would have been the last in house engine AC ever build would they have contracted them out... I really think had AC been able to make it 3 more years and get into the late 80s and 90s they would have had some sweet stufff...
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injpumpEd
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 4858 |
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Yes Terry! how could I forget. The A4T1600/AC 4WD. I would also like to build one of those! Put an intercooled 426 in an A4T, put 220 hood/grill/ sheet metal. maybe name it Two-Sixty? oh well, just dreamin anyway! You have to admit it'd be cool as heck! Even leaving the MM585, but turbo'd, would even work. The 440's just didn't have the pizazz they should have. The prototype in Norms book with a 3160 CAT would have been a little better than the ole 555 though.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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JohnCO
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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A "G" with the 125 engine and live hyralics. Considering they sold over 29,000 of the G's I bet there would have been a lot more demand if there was a more powerful version
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JayD-17(NY)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: New York Points: 577 |
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I always thought those experimental Models D and F were intriguing. The F looked like a father too the d-17, but if it had been produced, most certainly the legendary WD45 never would have. Makes you wonder "What If". Would have been neat if they could have come out with the 45 a few years earlier, then the F , then the d17; but it seems like the country was just crawling out of the depression and then the war came and put a damper on alot of new ideas and innovations.
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Rick of HopeIN
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Hope, Indiana Points: 1311 |
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I wish Allis had developed or teamed up to launch a nice small tractor line and equipment like the Yanmar or Kubota in the 70s (and stuck with it for the long haul). Seems like that was the beginning of the slide for many US companies.
I owned a Kubota 6100 for a while that was really too small but built like a tank. Nice diesel that started easily, available front wheel assist, heavy cast iron construction, good dealer support, three point, three speed PTO, diff lock. I don't think Deere dealers can complain about the Yanmar deal. Hindsight is 20/20. Probably was hard to envision that such a market would evolve for small farms, hobby farms, light construction and landscaping use. Eventually I think that is why AGCO will just reduce to MF in the US and some short lines. |
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Scott(SC)
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I think a WF with live power, diesel and hydraulics would be nice to have. To combine the looks and newer options would be great.
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Brian G. NY
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: 12194 Points: 2232 |
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I would like to have seen the experimental WD with the 5 speed trans. become a reality and then carried over to the WD-45s and D-17s. Pg. 78 in Norm Swinford's book. (the Bible)
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Dutchboy Johan
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Netherlands Points: 571 |
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My wish list would be this.
WD45 with 34" rear wheels and a 5 gear tranny,
The conceptional CA30 tractor.
From D17 to above series, all with bigger tires, D17 with 34" and a D19 with 38" as standard.
A D21 with a V8, same as IH did with the 14 and 1566 to bring them up to a 1468 and 1568.
The 190, 200, 210 and 220 tractors with a powershift transmission like the JD 4020.
And off course the 8095 would be a great tractor, but only when it has a AC engine and not the Komatsu.
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Kip-Utah
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Southern Utah Points: 871 |
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A 5 or 6 speed tranny in the WC-WD45 tractors with a decent road gear like the Farmalls had from 1939 on. It would have been nice back in the day & would make these nicer caravan tractors today! Kip
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