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desertjoe
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13528 |
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Well,,long bout maybe 2 years ago,,I posted on here bout an older 200 amp Miller Welder powered by an Onan 2 cylinder on a small 2 wheeled trailer,,,, Well, I got the engine overhauled with new rings, bearings and replaced both the intake valves. Got it all lashed up and engine started right up and ran great. I tested the welder and it also worked many wonderfuls and welded great. The guvnor would rev up as needed so I called it good. Well the plans for the mods up at the place in the mountains got changed, then the wife's health issues started so I parked it in the boat shed and where it's been since then. A friend of mine was telling his buddy about and he asked me if it for sale as he was really interested in it. SO,,,after an hour or two of moving chit from in front of it,,fina;llt got it out and both tires are ruined from settin, Got it to shop and hooked up a battery and she fired up pretty as you please,,,,but,,,but,,,I wasn't surprised,,,Ya know,,,seein as that's how I fix em,,,, Anybody care to venture as to what the value of such a machine?? I know ole Thad had a big interest in the machine,,,,??? THese pics don't show the latest mods as I plumbed both exhausts to the side and down to under the machine to a muffler that exhausts to front of machine. |
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 30715 |
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Be hard pressed to bust $800 from it. Had it been a SA Series Lincoln Pipeliner they are still selling in the thousand dollar ranges. I have a relatively new Thermalarc with a 20hp Honda where is also a 10kw generator for backup power, will only bring a grand or so as been explained by weld supplier shop.
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22269 |
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maybe see what new ones cost and hopefully get 1/2 (probably a 1/3rd) ?? I know, ya rebuilt it and it looks like new but........it is 'used'. heck if you can double your 'input costs' you'd be doing Ok...
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6241 |
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Just put it on a pallet and ship it to ole Thad. Maybe let him reimburse you for the shipping cost. That way you can get it out of your building and won't have to spend all that time digging it out next time. Problem solved.
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desertjoe
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13528 |
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Well,,I was thinkin,,and hoping for bout $987.31 for the package and think a 900 dollar bill will suit me fine,,,,,,,,, Oh and by the way,, it is also a 5 KVA generator according to the tag. Hubert,,, you loveable thing,,,you,,,!!!!
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 80217 |
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CHIT Joe... i would be talking to the Local Antique Farm Equip Club.. That thing would look GREAT on its small 2 wheel trailer behind a B Tractor !! Should be worth an extra $100. as an "ANTIQUE" !! ...maybe.. maybe.. steel wheels ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Thad in AR.
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9417 |
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Hubert I like the way you think.👍 |
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desertjoe
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13528 |
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Well ,,,shovel me tenders,,Boys,,,DANG,,if ole Thad didn't just slide in on ole Hubert's open invitation,,,,,,, One would even tend to start thinkin them two is in cahoots on getting that welder to Thad with little or nuttin effort,,,,, Maybe I just need to stay out the way and let them two do their Palaverin on how much the gonna let ole Joe have for that "Antique" like ole Steve is sayin,,,, It'd be OK as long as they don't want ME to pay THEM,,,,,,
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Thad in AR.
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As I recall yours is Ac/Dc and mine is just AC.
I’d much prefer the DC. I’ve used mine a few times but mainly the generator. |
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thendrix
Orange Level Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Location: Fairmount GA Points: 4831 |
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Hell Joe, if you're willing to pay to get rid of it then I'll jump on the list too!!! If you pay shipping I'll gladly be here to handle the receiving 😁 |
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desertjoe
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13528 |
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NOW,,,,WAIT JUST A GOLDURN MINUTE,,,,GUYS,,,,how'd we get this thing turned around like ya'll did,,,,,,,, while I HAVE been told I'm kinda slow by some of the fair se'ex,,it only cause they wanted me to go even slower,,,,but that don't mean I gonna be slow all the time,,,,,,,Chit,,I done forgot who owes who,,,,,,
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thendrix
Orange Level Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Location: Fairmount GA Points: 4831 |
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Well there good buddy..... My thought process is I'm closer to Hubert and possibly closer to Thad then you are. I can mediate between the two (and maybe finagle slightly due to my proximity) and maybe discover their angle you see. Either way, just send that puppy right on and I'll see to it she gets where she needs to go.
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"Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan
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Thad in AR.
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9417 |
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Ain’t nuthin purdier than a blue welder in the back of a Black square body traveling down hwy 62 just outside Eurekee.
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desertjoe
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I wondered where the trk was goin when I caught a glimpse of it headed in a cloud of dust headed east,,,,,,,,,,
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desertjoe
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13528 |
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Well,,Ya'll know how the sayin goes,,,"When anything "sets" long enough,,,it'll start to set",,,,( I thought of that one all by my self),,,,,, Anyway,,after ole Thad reminded me,,,,the Welder/Generator has been settin for nigh on 5 years or mayhaps even longer,,,,,,I got it out the boat shed and brought it up to the shop and after a few shots of start fluid it finally started ,,,,but it sure did NOT want to,,!! I pulled the carb and cleaned it out as had some gookies build up. Tried it again and still would only run with almost full choke which is indication of starving for fuel. Flushed the gas tank and it had some brownish chit in it and one bug,,,,,?Tried again and engine STILL wants bout 3/4 choke to continue to run and ragged as it is,,,WTF,,? pulled carb again and used a wire pilled from a wire brush and all the crannies I can see are clear and flushed with carb cleaner,,STILL wants 3/4 choke,,,I'm gettin MAD long bout here,,,,,!!!! Decide to try the welder part and it won't weld either!! It has a knife switch for switching from welder to generator and so I sandpaper all the knife contacts and VIOLA,,It works again! BUT it still will NOT run but with almost full choke on,,,So,,after the 5th time of removing the friggin carb AND the manifold, I'm ready to try something else. I've got a buyer waiting on this machine and I am pizzed,,!!! I checked out Ebay and Amazon and a new carb can be had for $45, but the mounting bolts of the new carb are 2 1/4" center to center and the old carb is 1 3/4" center to center,,,!! THose that have worked on these Onans, know the carb bolts to the manifold from the bottom up,,is why manifold has to be removed to work on carb. Now,, I have an idea for making a "spacer/adapter" to install the new carb with the 2 1/4" bolt spacing on the 1 3/4" bolt spacing manifold,,,,,,, Has anybody done something like this,,,?? I should mention that Exact in kind replacement carbs for the CCKA Onans are available for $356 IF you can find one,,,and I ain't gonna look at them prices,,,,
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shameless dude
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i'll trade ya even up for the Chevy/Allis!
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JC-WI
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Did ye check the points to make sure they was absolute clean? and how about if that thing has any filters or screens in the gasline or tank? Check the fuel pump and clean that too??? So the check valves all work? Check the manifold gaskets so you don't have an air leak? Maybe one of the lines is cracked an letting air in? did ye turn the gas valve on farther than a half turn?? maybe the gasket in fuel pump made from cereal box done got tired ?
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Thad in AR.
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9417 |
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Joe check the points and timing. They are very finicky on these. I had a very hard time getting mine to run when I put it back together. It acted just like you say. One of us had to slot the timing plate to get it to run. Been so long I can’t exactly remember.
I went and peeked at mine the other night after we talked. Pretty paint on the gas tank is wrinkled up and gas smelled terrible. I assume I’ll be going through the same one day. |
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11746 |
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If there's Ethenol in the fuel and its left for a long time without any Stabil or additive of some sort in it, the fuel turns to crap and plugs everything up. Makes a mess, and ya pull yer' hair out tryin' to get it goin' again. Don't ask me how I know that! Steve@B&B
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desertjoe
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13528 |
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GREAT Points JC, Thad and Steve,,, OH and Shameless,,,,no fair,,,"IF" I'm rememberin correctly,,,you had quoted me a price for the Chevy Allis,,that was a few songs lower then the Miller is worth,,, Now,,I maybe havin a few issues with my danged old memory on the price you gave me,,,,and when I get these little bitty issues worked out,,,,,,AND,,,,AND,,,I WILL,,,!! I will have a better "pallavering spot than I gots right at this minute,,,,,, OK,,now that we gots those issues ironed out,,,I had went ahead and ordered one of them new carbs on Ebay cause it listed the place it was gonna be shipped out of as HUMBLE, TEXAS which last time I looked is in the USA,,,right?? So I figured we was looking at a week for delivery. NOPE,,NOT TO BE,,,!! Soon as I hit the "BUY" button it calculated the tax and gave me the total,,which was OK but then the delivery screen comes up with a 2 week delivery date FROM CHINA!! I contacted the seller several times right quick,,,but no response as of this morning,,,SO, I CANCELLED THE SALE last night and notified Ebay of the discreptancy,,,!! Ebay notified me that I cannot cancel the sale til Sunday. Them AH's got to get up way earlier then that to get to ole joe,,,,, Gonna try all of ya'lls suggestions today.....I'm OK now,,,,sigh,,,,,
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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18786 |
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Well I sure hope you got it fixed by now Joe and it's running like a boy from an unhappy husband! Ya gotta watch that dang ebuy cause they are changing their way of doin business all the time an it seems the BUYER is the guy gettin the short end of the stick. An now that that other Jo......thet bumbling Biden is in bed with China agin,,,,,,,,well, things just ain't gonna bode well for us. Remember back a few years when we'd say 'thet Japanese junk'? This new 'junk' is even worse! Patience my boy, patience. You'll get it.
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Thad in AR.
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Where we at on this thing Joe? I need an update.
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desertjoe
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Well,,,a bit of an update on the Miller/Onan welder project,,,,, I got the new carb the other day and since I had already fabbed the bottom half of the new "Adapter",,I set, measured and welded the top flange up and painted it purdy,,,, The Onan has a hand primer and after a few pumps I hit the starter switch and,,,,and,,,thet sob started up and ran like ole Shameless's shoes when he sees an auction going on,,,,, It does tho,,,that new carb was what the Onan was lookin for,,,,, The Only'ist thing I cannot figure is how the dang mechanical guvnor is susspossed to work and my friggin computor is acting up and WILL NOT resize the pics from my IPhone AGAIN,,!! The existing guvnor arm bolted right up to the new carb so,,,,? Anyway,,when I strike an arc with the welder ,,the engine will NOT rev up just keeps loading up and will finally almost die down,,,," SOOo,,I raised the idle HANDLE to the middle position and it will weld like crazy but engine RPMs never change til I stop welding and lower the idle handle,,,I don't think that is how it susspossed to work,,,," Any kind words of wisdom,,,??
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Thad in AR.
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Joe they have to run at 3600 to weld or 1800 for the generator side. |
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Thad in AR.
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Low speed is generator
Medium speed low current for welding and high speed for high setting on welder |
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desertjoe
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13528 |
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I had just about come to that conclusion, Thad,,,,,this thing I'm thinking to be a guvnor is just a low idle, medium idle and a high idle for the particular job you wanting to do,,, You remember the little fuel primer pump with the small handle,,,?? That sob started to leak a little oil and that little thing is way under the carb with NO WAY to get to the 1/4" bolts,,,,,SOOOOO,,,I got to take the friggin intake/exhaust manifold off Yet again,,,,,,why didn't that sob leak yesterday,,,,,???? I got a brother of my friend that wants this thing bout as bad as I want to sell it to him,,,,,, so I shot him a price,,,he rolled his eyes a time or two,,,said he'd think on it,,,,soooo I pull out a copy of a screenshot I'd just taken from a Miller welder forum where a dude sold one just like mine with one of the cylinders smokin ,,,,,$1,200,,,,!! He never rolled his eyes at me no more,,,,,Said he'd bring me the money in the mornin,,,,,
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desertjoe
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desertjoe
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OK, my 3rd son from El Paso is here and is a little guru with PC's so I asked him to help on resizing pics and he showed me an easy way long as I don't forget,,,,,,, Ya'll see the square box that has the little arm that has the spring attached to it,,?? That arm is constantly trying to move back and forth bout 1/4" but is controlled by the manual handle at the front of the engine,,, SO,,what is the purpose of the little arm? THe throttle rod is controlled by the lever arm (handle) at the front of engine,,,,so that little arm can go back and forth all it wants to but cannot move the throttle rod till the operator does,,,right?
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JC-WI
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Desert Sparky, Is that a model AEAD?
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desertjoe
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Desert Sparky,,,,??,,,,,desert sparky,,,JC,,? HMMmmm,,,,let me dwell on that one a bit,,,,, Actually, JC,, it is a Miller AEAD 200 LE 200 amp, with a Onan CCKA Twin Cylinder electric start,,,you wanna but it?? The guy lookin at it now, is gonna surprise me if it don't go ho,e with him this morning after I put a new gasket on the priming pump,,,other than that,,ot ready to go home with somebody,,,,, I will say this,,,I would consider a trade for a great running TO20 engine,,,,,?
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