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Not an Allis,,,but hoping,,,

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    Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 8:43am

 OK,,I'm to the point of getting back to a project that I had on back burner and want to finish up to maybe clear up some space around here,,,,WinkWink
 Some time back I cobbed on to a Massey Ferguson TO20 with the Z120 4 cylinder gas engine. The Lady's Grandpa bought the tractor new and had it all it's life until one day he was messing with the carb and the throttle hung open and knocked a rod thru the side of the block,,,,!!! He let it set for many years til he gave it to his Granddaughter. She sold it to me as She made me promise to repair it instead of going to melting pot,,,,
 I took and cut a piece of old cast pump, trimmed and matched it to the hole in block and welded it up in  small sections with some special arc welding rod recommended here,, always keeping the rest of block hot while welding. The repair came out Great and after grinding excess slag looked even better!!! I used diesel to check for leaks and none found!!
 I had to look all over the country for an intake/exhaust manifold as they had "Lost It",,so I'm bout ready to start getting parts for the overhaul.
 Does anybody know of a vender of Massey Ferguson parts??
 Another thing,,I have never liked those huge front wheels and little bitty tires on the Ford 8&9's or these on the massey,,,Wink,,altho,,I have seen pics of some of this style tractors with regular style wheels and regular tires,,,??? Anybody know??


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Are you sure it’s not a TO30? The TO20 had a Z120 engine.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ed (Ont) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 9:51am
Agco has some Massey Ferguson parts. Not sure how far back they go. I got water pump and bunch of stuff for an MF175 last year from dealer. That is a newer model tho. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ed (Ont) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 10:01am
TO20 and TO30 is Ferguson. Not Massey Ferguson. Pre merger. Was it made in England, USA or Canada. Any tags left on it? They are a fun little tractor. Hope you get it working. 😀
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 Hey Ed,,Many THANKS for the interest,,,,Here's the numbers on the block and the tag.
 Casting numbers on Btm of left side are Z120 A 600 PP. B82 under those numbers.
 On the engine tag is SN E148136. on Btm of tag are these characters,,011  011  20  30. On the tag on dash, numbers are SER. TO-50432.  Tag has several patent numbers both USA and Canadian .
  Btm of that tag is   HARRY FERGUSON INC   Detroit MICH, USA.
 I guess you are correct,,there is no mention of Massey anywhere,,,Wink
 Do you know which wheels some people use instead of those BUTT UGLY big wheels and the very small tires,,,???WinkWink
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Sorry I don’t know much about them but we had lots of them up here in Canada. Lots of the little Ford’s as well. Many small farmers here up here went from horses to the fergie or Ford as their first tractor. Worked well for the small farms. Dad started farming with a Farmall “A”. Said he didn’t know anything horses and didn’t want to learn. 
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Tramway. He did say it had a z120 engine. I think that should be a continental engine. It looks like it is a 1951 model. 1951 ranged from serial 39163 to 60,000. We had a 1964 MF35 gas with continental engine. Massey and Ferguson had merged by then. 
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hey Joe,, if the front wheels are 5 or 6 lug rims,, a lot of the farm replacement places have generic wheels that will fit in whatever width you want, the tractor/implement wheel are fairly standardized,, just mostly need center hole size, how many lugs,4,5,or 6, backspacing,(some vendors show how to measure this)
these places also have engine parts
I'd check with All States Ag Parts,, better known as ASAP 
Steiner tractor parts
Shoup
there are prolly a lots more,, hopefully others will chime in...
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Hey Joe, I cannot attest first hand, but this is a small dealership nearby my neck of the woods, and I hear tell the owner or some other old boy there loves fixing up the older stuff. Worst case you aren’t out nothing but a phone call. I’ll help any way that comes up, not far away at all.

Nagy’s 989-653-3173

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 Hey there Michael,,it good to hear from you,,,it been a long time,,,ain't it,,?? THis Ferguson has them BIG  wheels almost like the Ford 8's and 9's,,,them ugly wheels are bout 17" tall with 4.00X19 tires that are only bout 3" tall,,er short,,,LOL They must be a whole lot of peoples that liked that wheel design on the 8's, 9's and fergies as there must be Millions of them all over the world,,,,,

 Hey Thanks TBone,,I'll give ole Naggy a call in the morning.....Clap
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 Hey TBone,,,finally got ahold of ole "Dan" at Nagy's in Omer, Mi,,,,,Clap Chit,,,he likes to talk and Shoot The Chit bout as bad as I do,,,,,WinkLOLLOL
 Talked quite a bit before I remembered why I called,,,,,WinkWink
 He's pretty knowledgable with them oldie tractors AND He did give me a number to call of who would be able to answer my questions,,so he was a big help,,,,Clap He didn't know a "TBone", tho,,,,,LOLLOL Thanks for your help!!
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Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Hey Joe, I cannot attest first hand, but this is a small dealership nearby my neck of the woods, and I hear tell the owner or some other old boy there loves fixing up the older stuff. Worst case you aren’t out nothing but a phone call. I’ll help any way that comes up, not far away at all.

Nagy’s 989-653-3173



 Hey TBone,,I finally caught the Guy with Nagy's,,,chit he's been down at the Texas coast for the winter,,,ain't that NICE,,,!!!Clap He gave me the number for his neighbor that takes care of the place and I caught him there,,,,,MAN,,,That dude can talk more than I Can!!!!! Chit,,I thought he was gonna run my battery plumb down before I got my questions in,,,,LOLLOL He was headed out the door so he gonna call me back tamarrow and is pretty sure they got what I'm looking for. Many Thanks for your help, TBone,,,!!!ClapClap
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well....at least it ain't a &$#^@* one! you saved yerself!
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https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Ferguson-Tractor-Parts.html

Click on above for one source of Ferguson parts.
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The TO-20 Z-120 Engine was overhead valve which is a good thing. Click on below for tractor data.

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Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:

Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Hey Joe, I cannot attest first hand, but this is a small dealership nearby my neck of the woods, and I hear tell the owner or some other old boy there loves fixing up the older stuff. Worst case you aren’t out nothing but a phone call. I’ll help any way that comes up, not far away at all.

Nagy’s 989-653-3173



 Hey TBone,,I finally caught the Guy with Nagy's,,,chit he's been down at the Texas coast for the winter,,,ain't that NICE,,,!!!Clap He gave me the number for his neighbor that takes care of the place and I caught him there,,,,,MAN,,,That dude can talk more than I Can!!!!! Chit,,I thought he was gonna run my battery plumb down before I got my questions in,,,,LOLLOL He was headed out the door so he gonna call me back tamarrow and is pretty sure they got what I'm looking for. Many Thanks for your help, TBone,,,!!!ClapClap
Woohoo, good news.  
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I use Yesterday’s Tractors for tractor parts. Pretty easy to order and they shipped to your house all while sitting in your recliner at 9 o clock at night.
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

well....at least it ain't a &$#^@* one! you saved yerself!


  Well,,,,,,Shameless,,,I AM learnin bout them,,,,,er,,,,UMmmm,,,,,,them things that seem to set you off pretty good,,,,I'm learnin I tell you,,,!!!WinkWink Tryin to stay on your good side cause one never knows when you might show up with my long lost,,,,,,,,,,tractor,,,,Clap

  Oh and Phil48,,, Thanks for that link,,,you just can't ever learn too much,,,,,Clap
 And also ole Tom59,,,,I did wind up orderin from YT,,,that Amber has got such a ,,,,sultry voice,,,don't she,,,,?  Chit,,she'll sell you stuff you wasn't even lookin for,,,,,LOL
 
One thing I have found out from ole Doug at Nagy's,,is that this Ferguson TO20 has got (gasp) Ford,,,9N front hubs and wheels,,,,chit,,!!!  I just cannot seem to stay away from them friggin Fords,,can I??
 Anybody out there gots a pair of the 6 hole hubs for a Ferguson TO20 they wanna sell me?? Gotta get them (gasp) ford hubs off there before ole Shameless completely dis-owns me,,,,,,LOLLOL
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