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    Posted: 06 Jan 2021 at 9:21am
My Son-in-law has an old hay chopper in which the main bearing on the cutter head went out (locked up). I think it is an Allis-Chalmers but really not sure, the color looks right unless it is maybe a Case.

We are having difficulty finding a bearing. It is a Hyatt 11480-Z. Does anyone have any NOS sitting in the back room?
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It's an Allis Chalmers standard or a model 50.
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have a RH housing and bearing races but don’t seem to have bearing
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I have a lot of NOS parts for those machines. However the Allis Chalmers part number would help me more than the bearing number. Most all of the bearings are in sealed cans. 
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Paul i think it’s 515448 bearing.- 515449 race

Edited by Mikez - 06 Jan 2021 at 7:47pm
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This is the first one of these bearings I have seen go out!  We have one of these choppers that chopped all of our hay and straw from 1959 until 1994 and chopped corn from 1959 until 1988 and it still runs today and those bearings are still original!  I have parted out a few machines that were sitting in the weeds for years and they bearings were still free.  

Anyway, I did an AGCO dealer search and there are a few bearings in dealer inventory.

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Originally posted by JimIA JimIA wrote:

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Anyway, I did an AGCO dealer search and there are a few bearings in dealer inventory.

Thanks
Jim

I am new to this business; how might I find how to obtain one of these elusive bearings?
Thanks for the help Smile
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Originally posted by JimIA JimIA wrote:

This is the first one of these bearings I have seen go out!  We have one of these choppers that chopped all of our hay and straw from 1959 until 1994 and chopped corn from 1959 until 1988 and it still runs today and those bearings are still original!  I have parted out a few machines that were sitting in the weeds for years and they bearings were still free.  

Anyway, I did an AGCO dealer search and there are a few bearings in dealer inventory.

Thanks
Jim



My friend always said. "it's those darn grease worms get in there and eat up all that grease"!
D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446
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Originally posted by john(MI) john(MI) wrote:


My friend always said. "it's those darn grease worms get in there and eat up all that grease"!


Indeed it appears that they were working overtime here! Tongue

Son-in-law stated that he had always been cautioned not to OVER grease bearings so as to not blow out the seals; after two pumps of some heavy, thick red grease he could see some coming out so he would stop.

Trouble is, there are NO SEALS in this bearing, nor do I see any provision for one!

It appears that this thing needs:
A) Much thinner grease for this high-speed application
B) LOTS of grease pumped through it after each chopping session to push the dirt back out
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If the part is at any AGCO dealer, any other one can order it for you and ship it. I'd recommend choosing a dealer that focuses on Allis stuff. Finding a dealer with a parts guy who knows Allis machines inside and out makes it a lot easier. Our dealer (C&K Implement) is pretty good with Allis stuff, but on our Oliver tractor, they really just didn't know how to read the parts books. I ended up ordering parts from a place called Maibach Tractor for that- they specialize in Oliver stuff. Find the dealer that specializes in Allis stuff and you'll be golden. Maybe try Sumerix? https://www.sumeriximp.com
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Don't forget Sandy Lake.  They have an outstanding reputation here.   
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I forgot about Sandy Lake. I'd give them a call for sure- they know their A-C stuff. We've lucked out on our Gleaner and 7040, and haven't really had to call for parts. I bought an Allis 1300 field cultivator last spring too, and let's be honest: There's nothing that really can break on those other than C-tines.
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Any AGCO dealer can get them.  I work at a dealer in Iowa and can order them for you or if you have a local AGCO dealer they can get them.

If you want you can email me at jim@franzensales.com

Also, grease the heck out of them.  At that time that was the preferred practice. Most of the bearings in that machine are caged roller bearings which hold up well.  

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Jim
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If anyone needs these 515448 or 70515448, 515449 or 70515449 bearings we have some NOS in stock here
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