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BrianC 
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 Topic: Frost proof yard hydrant.
Posted: 04 Dec 2020 at 2:04pm |
I replaced my yard hydrant, was a Campbell, now is a Parts 2 O. The plunger in the Campbell was really stuck, so I decided to chuck the whole thing.
Digging up the hole (3ft bury depth) was interesting and easy until I got to the gravel.
Decided to test before back-filling the hole. The new hydrant is constantly leaking out the drain hole. The lever was very easy to shut closed, so I adjusted the set screw gripping spot on the pull rod. Now the handle's last 30 degrees needs moderate pressure to close it (5 pounds??, not a lot, I didn't want to mash the plunger). After letting it run and then shutting off, it still is "draining" from the drain hole down there 2 hours later. The instruction say 40 psi is the normal supply pressure, more will reduce lifetime on the components. I have 92 PSI water supply. What is going on?
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DiyDave
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Posted: 04 Dec 2020 at 6:01pm |
I can't remember the brand I like the most.(senior moment?) painted green, it s repairable, from the top, no digging.
When replacing hydrants, I spend the money, up front, I hates diggin in the cold, seems like that's when they fail...
On edit, I found the name, its a baker! see link below.
92 PSI pressure sounds pretty damn high, I think that may be your main problem...
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Posted: 04 Dec 2020 at 6:15pm |
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As Dave said 92 psi is way high. Most wells are 40/60. Surprised you don't have other problems.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2020 at 6:33pm |
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Do you have a well or city water ? 92 lbs is way to much
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Posted: 04 Dec 2020 at 6:43pm |
I looked up the Baker hydrant, that sure is constructed differently than the ones I have. I could not find the PSI rating for it.
The 92psi line is 1-1/2 galvanized pipe, runs out 240 feet to garden. It is tapped before the water pressure regulator for the home. Home was converted from well system to municipal water sometime in the '90's. I bet the old shallow well system could only hit about 45psi.
Thing is I like the high pressure. I can water in bigger circles, spray higher up the apple trees and such. Sounds like more plumbing or convert to dumb faucet and drain for winter. I use it for gardening only.
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plummerscarin
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Posted: 04 Dec 2020 at 7:35pm |
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92 is very high. From a code perspective, if over 80 then a pressure reducing valve would required. Some pressure to close the handle would be normal in my opinion. Also be sure there is no dirt or other objects preventing proper seal when off and there is no damage to the seat or washer.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2020 at 10:56pm |
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We've been using Iowa hydrants since the 1960's. I I cannot remember a leaker. We have to put them down 6' here.
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Posted: 05 Dec 2020 at 7:04am |
 DiyDave wrote:
I can't remember the brand I like the most.(senior moment?) painted green, it s repairable, from the top, no digging.
When replacing hydrants, I spend the money, up front, I hates diggin in the cold, seems like that's when they fail...
On edit, I found the name, its a baker! see link below.
92 PSI pressure sounds pretty damn high, I think that may be your main problem...
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Interesting, hadn't heard of them but according to their site these are rated up to 125psi.  Sounds like a pretty good hydrant. |
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Posted: 05 Dec 2020 at 6:02pm |
Last one I bought a coupla years ago was around $130, IIRR, for a 7' (total length). Of course local prices will vary. I bought it at the local Drillers Service store, check them out, they may have a location, near Brian's, or you, K99... 
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Posted: 05 Dec 2020 at 6:20pm |
Are you certain that whatever gauge that reads 92 PSI is accurate ?? That seem excessive from a municipality unless your first in line from their pumping station (in between filling the water tower) .
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Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 3:06pm |
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When installing the hydrants for farm use - I used a 5 gallon plastic bucket to set hydrant into , then made connections - allowed a void around the valve to allow drainage and kept the hole from getting plugged or sand getting into valve .
I would expect the seat in your hydrant valve is bad as it should seal without leakage at ANY pressure if it is working .
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 5:07pm |
DiyDave wrote:
I can't remember the brand I like the most.(senior moment?) painted green, it s repairable, from the top, no digging.
When replacing hydrants, I spend the money, up front, I hates diggin in the cold, seems like that's when they fail...
On edit, I found the name, its a baker! see link below.
92 PSI pressure sounds pretty damn high, I think that may be your main problem...
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Have you DONE the "repair from the top" fix ?? I just CAN NOT imagine lining thigs up 4' down in murky/muddy waters ??
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Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 6:10pm |
Read "L" on the Baker unit..........
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Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 6:31pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
Are you certain that whatever gauge that reads 92 PSI is accurate ?? That seem excessive from a municipality unless your first in line from their pumping station (in between filling the water tower) . |
When I was working with the fire department I ran across a lot of hydrants that checked out well above 100 psi, had a few that pushed 150 psi. Some places we could just let the pumper idle and get more than enough pressure on the lines.
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Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 6:38pm |
Fire hydrants are one thing, and I would hope they have massive PSI, residential PSI is a different animal .
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Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 6:56pm |
Same water main as residential.
My younger brother is the very last farm on rural water and there is a water pressure regulator in the basement depending the day pressure will easily excede 100psi coming in. He's 20 miles from the pump station and 9 miles from the booster tower.
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Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 7:10pm |
A lot of the "pressure" depends on where you are located ( vertically) from the water tower.... every 2 ft of height is about 1 psi ... you live in the valley you got pressure.. You live on top of the mountain, you got not much....
and yes. BOOSTER stations are used to push if your going longer distances thru the country / rural areas.
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Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 10:01pm |
I have read somewhere and also heard on Gary Sullivan's home repair show out of Cincinnati that municipal water systems are only required to maintain at least a water pressure of 20 psi. Federal EPA law I believe.
I own a mobile home park with a well and recall receiving paperwork from the EPA wanting me to notify them if the pressure ever fell below 20 psi. Any shut downs for maintenance are posted in a daily log book. I run at 30-50 psi and believe 90+ psi would create leaks bigtime. Scares me!
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Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 6:53am |
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The pressure coming into my school before the pressure regulator runs usually between 125 and 130. At home we have several of the Woodford Y34 IOWA hydrants. I would no buy anything else
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Posted: 08 Dec 2020 at 6:54am |
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20psi is minimum requirement in any plumbing code. Things go sideways when adding in elevation and distance. The city I work in has fluctuations to both extremes. Add booster pumps to some homes then pressure regulators to others.
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