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Randy_Larson
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Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 7:43am |
The Allis-Chalmers 7030 and 7050 were introduced to dealers in Las Vegas, Nevada.
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victoryallis
Orange Level Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2864 |
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So they missed NFMS for a launch?
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Brian F(IL)
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I remember it took me awhile to get used to the "new look" after having been in love with the One-Ninety XT and Two-Twenty. That new cab was the quietest in the industry at that time.
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Bill(MO)
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just happened to be there. Cab was 78db
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DougG
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That would've been neat to have been there, bet Allis was all the talk at coffee shops etc after introducing them , they were different and that always gets ppl going !
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tbran
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If I am not mistaken , a few of the non cab 7030's hit dealer lots before the intro...
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When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..
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Brian F(IL)
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I seem to recall having a non-cab 7030 or 7050 come through Dad's shop that somehow got a Year-A-Round cab put on it(?). I might be wrong, but I think I've seen that before. Don't know why someone would want an aftermarket cab when it would be not near as nice as a factory cab. Maybe cheaper?
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DrAllis
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Some early 7030's (at least) weren't available with factory cabs until a few months into production. I know. I had a customer who had a Hiniker on his and that was the story. ROPS cabs also had to get certified to be able to be retailed. Not sure that was yet done in Feb of 73.
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victoryallis
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I haven’t seen an aftermarket cab I like yet. Edited by victoryallis - 22 Feb 2020 at 12:25pm |
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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MACK
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We sold two with aftermarket cabs before factory cabs. MACK
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DougG
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What did a new 7030-7050 cost new ?
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DrAllis
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7030 diesel...… 426 turbocharged, power steering, H/D adjustable front axle, Cat 2/3 three point hitch, two valves/remote outlets, swinging drawbar, differential lock, 1000 RPM PTO, wheel guards, deluxe seat, 16-speed Power Director transmission, 10.00 x 16 frt tires and 18.4 x 38 (8 ply) rear tires, shipping weight 10,697 lbs. Retail price $17,035. EXTRAS: Cab $1830...…..Cab and A/C $2564. This would have been the last price given in 1974. Early 1973 models may have been a little less money. Similar equipped 7050 tractor was $19,550 and weight was 10,813 lbs.
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DougG
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Thanks Dr, interesting prices, sure different times now
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DrAllis
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The 7030 @130 PTO HP was $131 per HP. The 7050 @155 PTO HP was a better deal at $126 per HP. What should have been done (armchair quarterback talking) was take the 7030 chassis and instead of cast rear wheel centers, use a heavy dual wheel steel center (cost/weight reduction), install the intercooled 301 engine and create a 110 HP new model called the "7010" at about $14,850 in 1973. That's what should have been done. The model 200 at 94 HP and then the 7010 at 110 HP.
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DougG
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Totally makes sense,, id like to find a rough 7030 or 7050 to turn into a puller, luv the looks of them
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Lonn
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nick121
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I'd think you would be a pretty big dog buying a new 7050 back in the day! Actually seems like they were well ahead of most of the other manufactures back in 73 .
They are a pretty light tractor to me but they've lasted the test of time..
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DrAllis
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If they'd have made my 7010 in 1973, even if they didn't make a dime on it, it still would have been utilizing the "new" tractor family and the cost per unit (over time) would have come down and the exposure of this new breed of tractor would have increased, which in the end, should have helped with overall new big AC tractor sales. My opinion is they would have sold as many or more 7010's as they did 7050's, because 110 HP was a more popular size. I'm jus sayin...……..
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Lonn
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I got to agree doc
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Lonn
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Unballasted weights with cabs IH 1066 with duals = 13,315# - singles = 12,145# AC 7030 singles = 12,430# AC 7050 with (cast?) duals = 14,525 JD 4430 singles = 11,350# Case 1270 with cast duals = 15,470# - singles = 13,440# Ford 9600 single fatties = 11,860# MF 1135 singles = 12,250# - single fatties 13,550# How about sound levels at full power IH 1066 = 88 dba (ealier 1066 was 85.5 but at lower 116 horse power) AC 7030 & 7050 = 79.5 dba JD 4430 = 82.5 dba Case 1270 = 88 dba early model - 82.5 dba late model Ford 9600 = 84 dba MF 1135 = 82.5 dba
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DrAllis
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Yeah, I didn't quite get that "light" complaint. To begin with, those weights I listed are without a cab. The "light" tractors at that time were a 4430 Deere. If you ever looked at the rear axles and 3 point hitch, it was 4020 heftiness !! That's exactly why when they came with the 4440 (40 series) they were referred to as the "Iron Horse" !! They actually tried to match the 7040/60 for weight and strength.
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Lonn
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unballasted 4440 with cab and cast duals = 14,470#
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Brian F(IL)
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Not a 7030 or 7050, but the price list for a 7060. Will give you some idea of the costs at that time.
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DougG
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Quite a price jump from 73 to 81 !
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AC7060IL
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Drive or fly out to Vegas? Do any Vegas gambling while there? Win any money? Edited by AC7060IL - 25 Feb 2020 at 7:29am |
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AC7060IL
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Sherman Farms
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Bought a new 7050 demonstrator with 24.5 tires and e year round cab in 1974 for $15,500 no trade. Bought a new 7060 with 18.4 -38 tires,factory cab, front and rear weights in 1975 for $20,000 no trade. Both were great tractors.We pulled 6-18 2000 series plows with them.
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B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more
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AC7060IL
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Edited by AC7060IL - 27 Feb 2020 at 7:18pm |
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Sherman Farms
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Yes i have photos but will have to have my son try to post them. Have a photo of 7060 pulling a grain drill last year.
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B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more
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AC7060IL
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Edited by AC7060IL - 27 Feb 2020 at 7:36pm |
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