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TomYaz 
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 5:18am |
Finally staring a rebuild for a customer...turns out I cant leave any rusty bolt unturned.
So this machine is going to be a "frame off" rebuild. Right now not much to show except
the thing torn down, as we put it together I will have pics. One thing I am doing is trying to make improvements that can be retrofitted to existing machines. In the pic below (thanks DREAM) the outlined parts will be fabbed as a single piece with a heavier gauge. Stay tuned...
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 6:20am |
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Good luck, Tom. It is nice to see someone like yourself bringing these combines back to life.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 6:49am |
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Wow -- big project. Look forward to hearing and seeing your progress.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 7:04am |
Thanks guys...
Yeah big project, Rebuild pictures will start with just the axle and wheel. Good thing is I got a metal working guy helping. He's getting a kick out of it and looks forward to doing more. Also have a fellow with engine rebuilding experience who is helping with bearing/gear isssue. On the cylinder, he is taking it apart, measuring shaft tolerances to determine if still good, examine gear box internals, etc. This 60A I am doing is costing the customer $6K which is not going to be enough, so I will take it in the shorts on this one. He wants another machine after this one..
These rebuilds are obviously not cost practical to the average hobby farmer who just likes to tool around on a few acres with one. More for the specialized farmer who will put them to serious use and needs something that will not need constant maintenance like an old self-propelled or all-crop.
Lastly, I am awaiting on the arrival of my first batch of grain elevator cups! Two years and $2200 in tooling I got exact duplicates of the originals finally made....Made in USA of course so priced accordingly
Edited by TomYaz - 04 Oct 2010 at 7:05am
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 8:38am |
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The metal you are replacing, going to galvanize it like the original?
Also if you are upgrading, going to upgrade the wheels/spindles to bearings?
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 9:16am |
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I've been thinking about doing just that to my 72. The axles are just large metal shafts bolted to the frame, so they would be easy enough to bore a hole in the end of, insert a spindle stub and weld in place.
Tom: Have you priced the cups yet?
Edited by Rawleigh - 04 Oct 2010 at 9:17am
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 9:30am |
Tom-
Just wow. You are living the dream! I wish I lived closer so I could come help you.
I just love All Crops.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 9:32am |
 firebrick43 wrote:
The metal you are replacing, going to galvanize it like the original?
Also if you are upgrading, going to upgrade the wheels/spindles to bearings?
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All the thinner sheet metal is galvanealed--new roof, front piece above the cylinder, top of the cylinder cowling. The new side panels are much heavier, so not going to galvanize those. In the future I may have all the new metal galvanized, but not this one.
Not going to upgrade the wheel axles on this one. Since I am "over budget" I am not going to get too carried away with "upgrades" but the axles will have new bushings.
All of the bushings and roller/ball bearings will be replaced. Rebuilt concave, new cylinder bars and concave bars, new tires, Most of the wood is replaced. New grain drag, new grain elevator chain/cups, new tailings chain, all other chain replaced as well. Upgraded PTO connection using one piece plastic safety shield. Hitch stand. Recovered draper rollers. New drapers, upgrade from 4 to six reel bat, putting in a 66/72 straw rack as it is an improved design,new belts. Any worn slip clutch replaced.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 9:35am |
Rawleigh wrote:
I've been thinking about doing just that to my 72. The axles are just large metal shafts bolted to the frame, so they would be easy enough to bore a hole in the end of, insert a spindle stub and weld in place.
Tom: Have you priced the cups yet?
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Rawleigh, just the cup will be $9 each. You will want to use a modern attaching link as the old ones hole center's where a bit non-standard. I got 250 units on the way; about half are already spoken for...
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 9:37am |
clovis wrote:
Tom-
Just wow. You are living the dream! I wish I lived closer so I could come help you.
I just love All Crops. |
Well almost...I wish I could do them at my place in the other side of the state...but I take what I can get!..Yeah your more than welcome to come "help"--Im paying 0.00 per hour for any "volunteers" LOL! (Ok I will buy lunch)
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 11:54am |
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Tom: I "renewed" my axles when I replaced the bushing by removing the axle and flipping it over so that the worn area was on top.
What about the grain augers? Have you renewed any of them or do you just get good used parts? I have heard of farmers welding 1/4" steel rod to the auger flights of modern combines to renew worn edges. It is heated, bent and tack welded along the edge. I have been thinking of using 1/8" rod on mine.
With modern epoxy primers and two part paints the galvanizing is probably unnecessary. Paint will stick better to ungalvanized metal.
Tom: How many cups for a 72?
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 12:17pm |
Rawleigh wrote:
Tom: I "renewed" my axles when I replaced the bushing by removing the axle and flipping it over so that the worn area was on top.
What about the grain augers? Have you renewed any of them or do you just get good used parts? I have heard of farmers welding 1/4" steel rod to the auger flights of modern combines to renew worn edges. It is heated, bent and tack welded along the edge. I have been thinking of using 1/8" rod on mine.
With modern epoxy primers and two part paints the galvanizing is probably unnecessary. Paint will stick better to ungalvanized metal.
Tom: How many cups for a 72?
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Flipping it over!> Perish the thought! For my machine maybe but I couldnt do that for a customer. For this machine I have a good used auger in mind. As for fixing the edge of the auger I cant do such "farmer repairs" on something that I am charging a pretty penny for. So I would need a new auger. Nothing against such repairs as we all know how it goes trying to stay in business farming, but I cant get away with things like that.
I think 24 for a 72.
Crossing my fingers I may have another unit to build for an onion producer in California.
Needs to thrash onion seed and using the big hoss combine is impractical. - This is the kind of market I think these machines can have a role to play.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 12:28pm |
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LOL! It wouldn't take a real machinist long to make a new axle anyway. Pretty simple.
Have you ever thought of stocking new flights for the augers? They are small, but should be available ready made. I am glad your enterprise seems to be off to a good start.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 3:54pm |
Rawleigh wrote:
LOL! It wouldn't take a real machinist long to make a new axle anyway. Pretty simple.
Have you ever thought of stocking new flights for the augers? They are small, but should be available ready made. I am glad your enterprise seems to be off to a good start.
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Yeah that and a bunch of other parts. Augers and new draper rollers are probably next on my hit list.. I can even have new chaffer and sieves built but would need a 5K$ min order..
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 10:12pm |
Tom,
I wish my life was a little different right now. I'd love to come help. If you are ever working on All Crops in central Indiana, please let me know.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 6:17am |
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Tom, I've dreamt about doing what you are doing to older Gleaners. Maybe if this is successful for you then you can expand into Gleaners.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 7:26am |
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Tom, I've dreamt about doing what you are doing to older Gleaners. Maybe if this is successful for you then you can expand into Gleaners. |
We shall see if this is sustainable....Thing about Gleaners is there is a LOT more parts and I suspect the price gap between a rebuilt and a late model used would be too small.
But who knows!? Anythings possible. I never would of thought selling allcrop parts would generate the amount of business it does. (nowehre near enough to make a living, but way more than I anticipated)
My biggest problem is coming up with the $ for parts. Cant just but onesy twosey when I need to make new parts, I have to buy a whole bunch of them.
Clovis, You never know I lived in IN for a few years, never say never. My situation isnt ideal either. Rather a pain in the butt to be honest.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 1:46pm |
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Im currently grtting a 1950 all crop going again. Its been sitting in a barn for 30 years. it has the auger extension and pick up attachment. Ive been looking for a reel and it looks like im going to have to re-build one on a nother combine. I have everything broken loose except the clean grain elevator and auger.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 4:51pm |
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Great project Tom. Thanks for the updates.
As far as Gleaners go what's going to happen in 30 years? My combine is around 30 years old now. None of the big new combines will work on a lot of the smaller fields or at least wouldn't be efficient as by the time you fill up the rotor your at the end of the field.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 5:06pm |
Byron WC in SW Wi wrote:
Great project Tom. Thanks for the updates.
As far as Gleaners go what's going to happen in 30 years? My combine is around 30 years old now. None of the big new combines will work on a lot of the smaller fields or at least wouldn't be efficient as by the time you fill up the rotor your at the end of the field.
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Good question...In 30 years will a new smaller SP find a niche? Will parts for the smaller SP be still available? Right now seems to me there is still plenty of used smaller SP machines and parts to be had for quite a while.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 5:19pm |
She looks quite naked right now...actually took the seperator box off as one unit after the pic taken...
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 7:15pm |
Tom, I hope you remember how that goes back together, cause you have taken off A LOT of stuff!LOL!
Hey, what do you think of that 60 bagger I found the other day? I don't know the first thing about combines, but it really didn't look too bad for what it was. I think it had sat under a shed for some time. I don't think it would have been that good if it had been in the weather.
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I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me!
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 7:41pm |
DREAM wrote:
Tom, I hope you remember how that goes back together, cause you have taken off A LOT of stuff!LOL!
Hey, what do you think of that 60 bagger I found the other day? I don't know the first thing about combines, but it really didn't look too bad for what it was. I think it had sat under a shed for some time. I don't think it would have been that good if it had been in the weather. |
Well it will be down to just the axle by this Saturday! I hope to haul another 60A and park it nearby to serve as my "blueprint" on getting it back together heh!
Your 60 looked on the rough side to me...but maybe thats as good as it gets out your way..
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Posted: 06 Oct 2010 at 1:15am |
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Good job Tom.
Did the drive belts arrive? Are you satisfied?
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Posted: 06 Oct 2010 at 5:27am |
John,
Yes they did, they look fine. Thanks!
To anyone intersted I got a couple NOS cylinder drive belt from John as part of a trade.
$35 each. New ones run well over $100.
Tom
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