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dsgraf 
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 12:17am |
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After much searching on line I am even more confused on power steering. I have a 1952 wd. What are the options for adding it, I know there has to be some aftermarket or other brands I can make work. I know it won't be original but that is ok as I could always change it back and besides there seems to be no parts available fort the original anyway if is was to break. A in line box would be great if I knew where to get it and just hide an automotive pump up under the hood with some custom brackets. I know I would have to buy the crank pully. Talked to a yard today and they advised using a old Dodge generator that has the pump mounted on the rear of it, anyone ever heard of this?
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Chris/CT
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 6:34am |
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You have the right idea. Most aftermarket use the Char-Lynn torgue generator with a pump to supply oil/pressure. It is usually added in line of steering shaft with some support brackets. I have a small PS pump/resevoir off a Isuzu Trooper that I wonder if it can run a Char-Lynn. It is compact enough [ has a pulley for V-Belt ] for nice tidy install. I was thinking it could be addapted to rear of distributer/mag drive housing like some of the old M+W PS set-up's.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 7:29am |
I have a WD with PS, I'll sell whole thing for 800. Rear rims are shot, located in Ohio. Wife's been wanting it moved and I guess it,s time I did. Just swap piece for piece. E-mail jjwo@bright.net
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 7:38am |
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i have a charlynn unit with pulley for 400$
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 8:09am |
My neighbor had an Oliver that the power steering pump was mounted on the generator.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 8:20am |
I got my setup from a tractor salvage yard in Clinton Mo.
He described it as a kit. It was used of course and it came off a 45.
It came with absolutely everything including the steering shaft and steering wheel.
Bolted right on for the most part.
He had a warranty with it. The pump was junk and I let him know about it and he said just get another and send me the bill.
It's a charlynn torque generator with an older GM style pump hidden above the alternator.
Got it for $400.
It also took 4 months of looking to find it.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 9:41am |
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Thanks CJohnS MI for the link, Thats alot of char-lynns any idea which one is best to use and can run off an automotive style pump? Anyone out there have a good working set up they want to share (pictures). Why do those char-lynn's seem to have 4 ports on them, what is the exta 2 for? I guess I really need to know what is best to use. Any help would be great and what does everyone do to get around the $200 crank pully?
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 10:05am |
 dsgraf wrote:
Thanks CJohnS MI for the link, Thats alot of char-lynns any idea which one is best to use and can run off an automotive style pump? Anyone out there have a good working set up they want to share (pictures). Why do those char-lynn's seem to have 4 ports on them, what is the exta 2 for? I guess I really need to know what is best to use. Any help would be great and what does everyone do to get around the $200 crank pully? |
Can't help you on part number. As for pulley - well, the shafts on generators & alternators are often same size, so you could put a 2-groove pulley on the generator & drive off of that. Here's Eaton site with the Char Lynn stuff, the 207 torque generator is used on Farmall (I think), about 2/3 down page: http://hydraulics.eaton.com/products/steer_main.htmYou know, there WILL be someone on here with a fair priced setup ready to bolt onto your machine.
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dsgraf
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 11:37am |
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Thanks for the info. I hope your right about one coming along as looking at the new ones is very confusing. I can weld and have a shop for making brackets and such just need to know best stuff to use. Great idea on running off the generator didn't think of that one! I just hate to pay big money for something original that you can't get parts for.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 11:52am |
The WD-45 diesel came with a double crank shaft pulley, some on here have some how added the second pulley.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 1:09pm |
dsgraf wrote:
Thanks for the info. I hope your right about one coming along as looking at the new ones is very confusing. I can weld and have a shop for making brackets and such just need to know best stuff to use. Great idea on running off the generator didn't think of that one! I just hate to pay big money for something original that you can't get parts for. |
Well, a few replies back, one was offered to you for $400, which seems a good deal to me. If its got all the brackets etc, a whole lot of pain is eliminated, right there. The Char-Lynn is such a simple unit, and a GM power steering pump is so common and reliable and puts out 850-1200 psi, that you can buy a pulley for $185 and build your own. But it is going to take a lot of time and head scratching to do.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2010 at 11:05pm |
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yes I have pm'ed both people that replied but nothing back yet. I wouldn't mind going the extra mile and fabbing one up just so I knew I got the right torqe generator and pump to push it. I would really like to hide it all as much as possible so it would not stick out like a sore thumb. pump up under the hood and the generator down behind the steering pedistal on the frame rail. I'm sure this has been done just would love some info and better yet some pictures!
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Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:04am |
dsgraf wrote:
yes I have pm'ed both people that replied but nothing back yet. I wouldn't mind going the extra mile and fabbing one up just so I knew I got the right torqe generator and pump to push it. I would really like to hide it all as much as possible so it would not stick out like a sore thumb. pump up under the hood and the generator down behind the steering pedistal on the frame rail. I'm sure this has been done just would love some info and better yet some pictures! |
If you follow that link to the Eaton page, and check out the 217 series - those are being used today in home-built off-road applications, and are the functional equivalent of the Farmalls. They are also used in fork-lifts and yard trucks. The biggest issue for a do-it-yourselfer is cutting into and coupling the steering shaft. The advantage of using a "pull" from an existing WD/WD45 is AC hads already worked that out. Other than that, the older GM power steering pump is dead common, puts out approx 850 psi, and can be cranked up to 1200 psi (you won't need to) by pulling shims from behind the pressure valve. One thing I haven't read of being done, is rescuing the power steering from an old Gleaner Combine. Seems that other than the engine, not too much is salvaged. Now that this has come up, the next time I'm in the Thumb area I'm going to check a couple of those out and see how adaptable one might be.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 8:31am |
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You will find the combine thing to be something you can't apply to the old tractors.
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Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 10:12pm |
Chevrolets in the mid 50's had a genrator mounted ps pump.
The D15 and D17 diesels did also.
The Char Lynn pump was the same as the Eaton pump on the mid 50's early 60's Ford cars and tractors. Resrvoirs varied somewhat.
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