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57WD45FarmUse 
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Posted: 05 May 2019 at 12:23pm |
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Hey y’all just wonderin if any one has done this and what do they think ? I’m goin to do it and wonderin woud this also do away with the ole lever activated button on the starter ? Or just do away with the point and cond?
Many thanks and everyone I hope has a great Sunday Funday!
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chaskaduo
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Posted: 05 May 2019 at 12:50pm |
It just does away with points and condenser. To change to push button or key start go to http://www.rodnh.byethost12.com/acb/solenoid%20starter/solenoid%20start.htmRodney K. Thompson, NH You can grind the starter post flat and drill, tap and installed a 5/16" brass stud to connect the 12 volt solenoid lead to, or buy Napa's Echlin # SF139 bolt contact kit for starter post and replace the contact post (requires soldering).
Edited by chaskaduo - 05 May 2019 at 1:18pm
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rw
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Posted: 05 May 2019 at 1:12pm |
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I have them on all my gas tractors and have no regrets. Just be sure to get the right one for your voltage and polarity and distributor.rw
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Posted: 05 May 2019 at 1:23pm |
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One more thing I'll add, my WD is 6V positive ground and I left it that way. I was warned at purchase that the 6 V systems sometimes do not have quite enough voltage when cranking in cold weather. If the Voltage gets too low it won't trigger a spark. The voltage is dropping as you get to the top of the compression stroke. I can usually get it to fire if I hand crank or just charge the battery a little. Also it is a good idea not to use a plug in booster charger while cranking for fear of voltage spike. Charge then turn off charger and crank. I still prefer it over points. Have not had those problems on the 12 V systems.
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DougS
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Posted: 05 May 2019 at 2:54pm |
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6 volts has enough oompf in cold weather if you are using heavy enough battery cables. I've heard (through this forum from time to time) that the positive ground Pertronix box tends to go flaky more than the negative ground system. It's hard to say. It could be that they weren't using suppressive plug wires. Talk to SteveNJ and get his opinion. He'll tell you what works best. Just remember that if you ever switch to 12 volts you will get to purchase another Pertronix system all over again. 12 volt negative ground systems are more versatile and easier to maintain, if you ask me. Even finding a 6 volt solenoid for the starter system is going to be more difficult. Your local auto parts store may or may not have one.
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BigGuy1000
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Posted: 05 May 2019 at 5:17pm |
I have a 6V pos gnd (with original generator and cutout relay) on WD with M&W hi compression pistons and Pertronix ignition, I was very pleased this winter to see it cranked and started at zero when we had no AC power and needed it to run the generator!!! Sits in outbuilding with no AC power. This after 10 years of non starting (hand crank) below 30 F! I will write about how to do this in a month or two. As rw says, be sure that you get the right one! And if you do have AC power in your shed, you will be much happier if you get a 6V battery maintainer(not a 12v and not a charger), be careful what you get, they are hard to find at a reasonable price!
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57WD45FarmUse
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Posted: 06 May 2019 at 7:45pm |
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Holy smokes ! Thanks evey one for sharin all that knowledge!
I shoulda mentioned Im runnin a 12 v system.
The starter button mod is very intriguin I may go that route later once everythin is back up and runnin
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 06 May 2019 at 7:59pm |
If your still 6V Pos Grd, you can easily move to electronic ignition. Doug is correct about using heavy enough cables for the cold weather, but also it pays to keep the Battery up to par with a Battery tender. Not only does the tender keep the Battery reserve up, but also keeps the Battery active which leads to longevity for longer service.
We sell a boat load of E.I.'s. The past few years, we've sold more than we ever did. I think mainly because AC owners are tired of the Chinese junk tune up parts that litter the aftermarket. There's no longevity in them unless you're using SMP's Bluestreak parts like we carry.
Whether you purchase a Pertronix from us or from anyone else, they are a good investment and they do give you a lot of cool features such as faster starts, nice idle, quick response at the throttle to name a few. The electronic module has a "fixed" dwell which is much more precise than the old rub block points which as the rub block wears, engine performance suffers as the block wears and the points need to be adjusted again. There's a "how to" on installing a Pertronix on our website if interested... Steve@B&B bb-customcircuits.com
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57WD45FarmUse
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Posted: 06 May 2019 at 8:12pm |
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Hey Steve!! I’ve read many aposts with u in them about wirin!
You nailed it. That replacement Chinese crap hasta go!
What kinda price ya got on that Pertronix elec ig?
Thanks, J Tabor
P.S. how do ya tell if it’s still a 6vPos ground? I have a one wire Delco alt I have the resistor. Both cables when I bought it were off the shelf newer styles . I just ordered an OE style ground strap
Edited by 57WD45FarmUse - 06 May 2019 at 8:25pm
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Posted: 07 May 2019 at 12:36pm |
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Posted: 07 May 2019 at 2:52pm |
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Is a 8V battery compatible with a EI? That would seem to fix the cold starting issue.
I have a question regard 6V systems:
Can you reverse polarity and make it a Neg ground, w/o issues. I assume the only thing I would see to do, is re-polarize the voltage regular.
The reason I ask, is the are Neg ground voltage increasers, that work well and could be used for a 12v IE on a 6v system, if it was neg ground. I run a isolated 12V solenoid in my gas line on one of my 6V positive ground tractors.
Frank
Edited by frnkeore - 07 May 2019 at 7:25pm
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Posted: 07 May 2019 at 7:02pm |
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Flash the generator and reverse the connections on the ammeter. Wouldn’t it be easier to just install a 6 volt Pertronix? 8 volts is a band aid just as installing a voltage converter would be. I’ve installed converters and found them to fail at a much higher rate than I’d want for something critical to the engine’s operation.
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Posted: 07 May 2019 at 7:35pm |
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You mean flash the field pole on the voltage regulator, right?
Yes, it is a band aid but, cheaper than a full 12v conversion. Form what IU read in this thread, the 6v EI isn't as reliable as the 12v. My 12v converter has been reliable on my one tractor. My solenoid probably draws more current than a EI.
Frank
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Posted: 07 May 2019 at 8:26pm |
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I am really impressed with my C starting with Pertronix. My flywheel gear is shot so I just hand crank. Bullheaded, almost always starts on second pull. Kinda fun when neighbor was over and it was below zero, I started tractor while talking to him, he was impressed. I have to believe there is more power.
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Posted: 08 May 2019 at 4:17am |
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So you're running 8 volts now and want to purchase a 6 to 12 converter so that you can run a 12 volt EI module? First of all, will your converter be able to withstand 8 volts? If you're going to switch the battery to a 6 volt battery, you've already spent what would amount to over half the cost of a 12 volt conversion. Then you have the price of the converter to consider. In the end you have what I would describe as a "cludge." I would either go 6 volts with a 6 volt EI or go 12 volts with a 12 volt EI. It doesn't matter if you go with positive or negative ground on a 6 volt system, but once you've bought the appropriate EI system, you're stuck with your decision.
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 08 May 2019 at 7:57pm |
J Tabor- If you're running an Alternator, are you converted to 12V's? If so, then you have to go with what system you're running. The E.I.'s come in 6VPG, 12VPG, and 12VNG. We sell the above listed Pertronix kits for $115.00 + the ride... You can check em' out on our webstite...
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Posted: 08 May 2019 at 9:40pm |
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Hello Steve!
I guess I should proof read my posts. I should’ve wrote in the last one how to tell if it’s still pos ground? It’s def 12v...Sorry for the confusion !!!
Id like to think it’s as simple as lookin to see where ground cable to the frame goes ...if that’s the case then it is a (12v)Neg groundsystem as the the ground cable goes to the negative terminal on the battery. I’ll be orderin from ya website shortly once I verify my system is indeed Neg ground Tractor was converted over to a 12v system before I got her...
Thanks a lot for the reply!
Edited by 57WD45FarmUse - 08 May 2019 at 9:41pm
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 1:02am |
 DougS wrote:
So you're running 8 volts now and want to purchase a 6 to 12 converter so that you can run a 12 volt EI module? First of all, will your converter be able to withstand 8 volts? If you're going to switch the battery to a 6 volt battery, you've already spent what would amount to over half the cost of a 12 volt conversion. Then you have the price of the converter to consider. In the end you have what I would describe as a "cludge." I would either go 6 volts with a 6 volt EI or go 12 volts with a 12 volt EI. It doesn't matter if you go with positive or negative ground on a 6 volt system, but once you've bought the appropriate EI system, you're stuck with your decision.
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I'm going to assume your post is directed to me. 1. The 6V (by responses here) isn't as reliable as the 12v. 2. I do not have a IE on my tractors. 3. I do not have a 8v battery. I recommend a 8v for people that have starting problems. A cure for that since the 1950's. 4. I thought of this cure because I already have a 12v solenoid, I use as a fuel shut of, that I run with a converter on one of my 6v systems. If I reverse the 6v pos, to 6v neg, I can run a 12v EI. 5. The converter is `$10. 6. This is the specs on the converter: *5V 6V 7V 8V 9V 10V 11V step up to 12V 4A 48W car power boost converter regulator *ABS flame retardant plastic case with using radiating silicone potting *Full power, synchronous rectification, efficient conversion rate: more than 93%, the power consumption 60MA *Built-in over/under-voltage input, overload, over-heat and short circuit fully protection *Auto-recovery when converter is back to normal operating *Waterproof & moisture-proof & shockproof *Easy and simple installation *Stable and reliable performance *Light weight and ultra-compact size *Wire
connection: Input: Red wire for Positive, Black wire for Negative;
Output: Yellow wire for Positive, Black wire for Negative *100% brand new and high quality Frank
Edited by frnkeore - 09 May 2019 at 1:07am
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