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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Ok guys, some of you may have read on my other thread about this 8050 I'm working on putting a 685I in it. Got the tractor in the shop today to start working on it. Will be having a rear engine plate made locally. I've gathered some parts and I think I got most of what I need. Tractor will be getting 6 inches added to the side frames, along with widening the hood out around that 5-6 inches. Will tell for sure when I have the engine sitting in the tractor.
Main purpose of this tractor will be running out forage chopper, and really nothing else. Have 3 other 8000s and the 7580 to do tillage work. The 8050 is a powershift tractor also. To remedy some clearance issues, it will be getting 7000 series front sheet metal, but with the 8000 series cab. Dont expect me to post pics everyday though, hopefully it drys out some here and we can get in the fields. But I'll post lots of pics when I do work on it. Thanks guys! |
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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Mikez ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8196 |
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Interesting project
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Unit3 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: NC Iowa Points: 5504 |
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Is it just me or does it seem odd that AC never tried using the 516 in a tractor. I would love to see it in a 7080, mine. Keep us up to date with pictures. Sure would love to see her run.
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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2865 |
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Betting drive train doesn’t make it 3 years. Even just on a chopper.
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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So I guess all these 8.3 Cummins swapped 8000s are just sitting in a scrap yard someplace then.
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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DanWi ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1712 |
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I say go for it, the best teacher is experience whether it be success or failure. Just think about what our elders thought when pulling tractors hit 200 or 500 hp they said you cant do that to a tractor, now we have field tractors over 500 hp. I know they are designed for that but we had to learn somehow.
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exSW ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Jul 2017 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 914 |
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I think it'll live. I'd say the clutch/torque converter/flex plate or whatever AC calls it will be the weak link. Clutch pack materials,temperature and pressure level monitors and fluid quality go a long way towards any PS life. I think I'd install trans temp and pressure gauges.
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victoryallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2865 |
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No but I know of two that had drivetrain issues. |
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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bigal121892 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Location: Nebraska Points: 760 |
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What I have read, was told, that the 516 was expensive to manufacture, thereby making it to expensive to put in a tractor.
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AC7060IL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Location: central IL Points: 3224 |
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I’d agree with that AND add that OPERATOR is everything when it comes to sensibility with new levels of power. To that end, Peterson being the mechanic, should have a uniquely better understanding. Go Peterson! I’m looking forward to seeing you get it done. Thanks for sharing. I’ve seen many stock tractors wrecked by someone who turned up its fuel, weighted it to max, & pulled a size bigger disk/FC or whatever, and bumped it up another gear higher. Point is - just because it’s got more horses, doesn’t mean you got to use them all, all the time. |
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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Exactly! I'm not going to be using anything more than what we have already for our other tractors. This thing will be pretty lightly weighted. A inside wheel weight on the back with a small weight bracket on the front. NO FLUID at all. Yes a 685I has 270 flywheel HP, my guess is prolly 250-260 to the PTO. If it's more than that, I'll turn it down. Probably start tearing it apart next week. |
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19719 |
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7080 was rated at 210-212 HP at the flywheel and 180 HP at the PTO, so looks like close to 30 HP loss.
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bigal121892 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Location: Nebraska Points: 760 |
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Just curious, what brand/model of chopper, and size of the head.
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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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So should be around the 240-250 hp. Should have a little more grunt than the 426. So possibly not loose as much through the PTO.
Chopper is a New Holland Fp230 with the 29p hay head and just a 824 2 row corn. But we don't do much corn. |
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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exSW ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Jul 2017 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 914 |
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It won't even puff with a two row head.
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Oldred ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 May 2010 Location: Bluffton,AB,Can Points: 148 |
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You might have to upgrade to a FP240 chopper. Lol
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19719 |
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Just an observation. My Dad (many years ago) had a 185 with 540 single speed PTO. He also had a 200 with 540/1000 dual speed PTO. He always claimed the 185 would grind a batch of feed faster than the 200. It certainly wasn't the HP that made the difference, because the 185 was 74 HP and the 200 was adjusted up to 110 HP. The difference was the 185 PTO ran an actual 680 RPM while the 200 only ran 610 RPM. I would assume to a degree, a forage chopper could react in a similar way to PTO speeds ??
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exSW ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Jul 2017 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 914 |
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I think the efficacy of the pto drive has something to do with it. Some tractors are just better than others. 5xxx series Deere's for one. Say what you want but everyone I've been around punches way above their weight on pto equipment. My 560D Farmall ran the Ag bagger without even breathing hard.
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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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I'll be starting to tear the 8050 apart today. I'll take a few pics of the tear down.
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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NEVER green ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Location: MN. Points: 6715 |
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I LOVE it! |
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2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50
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Unit3 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: NC Iowa Points: 5504 |
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I want to see how and what is going to hold up the front end of the "BIG 516".
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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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rieg ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Location: swoh Points: 354 |
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I thought I was the only one that keeps a stump in my shop to hold up the back half of an 8000 series for when they need split. I have used that same stump on three different tractors one twice. Crazy farmers!!!
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GM Guy ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 31 Jul 2012 Location: NW KS / S.C. ID Points: 1973 |
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What are your thoughts on wedging one in a 7580? Looks like a fun project!
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Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine.
If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 862 |
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Could be done pretty easy I would think. I'm going to get a price soon on making the rear engine plates. Depending on price, I may get a couple made.
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 7984 |
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Rieg I've got a few of those stumps! One for a 180 a 190 and a 21 !
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exSW ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Jul 2017 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 914 |
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You ought to.measure them so the rest of us don't have to guess!😎 |
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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