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LouSWPA 
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Posted: 18 Aug 2010 at 10:19pm |
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when i was growing up and working on local farms, the guys I worked for refused to "condition" the hay, unless forced to because of weather ( in fact, only one had any kind of conditioner). They said that squeezing the hay to get it to dry faster squeezed nutrients out of it. Yet, today using a haybine seems almost universal. Am I missing something?
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clovis
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Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 2:02am |
Lou, I've wondered about the very same thing for years!!!!!!
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Lars(wi)
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Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 5:46am |
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part may be 'old wives tale' but remember way back when, you never started cutting hay before the field was 1/4 in bloom, by the time you were done with all the fields it was usually in full bloom if not past that, the alfalfa was a lot less juicer then. Nowaday's everyone seems to want to get done with each cutting before a single bloom is visible, the plant's are a lot more tender and juicer and require conditioning this way.
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Jack(Ky)
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Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 6:05am |
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A good conditioner just bends the stems and doesn't squeeze all the juice out. If you look close at the stem it has little spots a few inches apart. Most people around here that have modern discbines don't use the conditioning rolls they get them with beater bars. These bars mostly just bend the stems and lets the hay stand up a little in the field so air can flow through it instead of just laying flat on the ground. These bars are also supposed to brake the waxey film on the stems to allow for better drieing the way I understand it. I still use a haybine and the rollers are not supposed to be adjusted to where they touch each other.JP
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firebrick43
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Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 6:22am |
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Conditioning squeezing the juices out is an old wives tale, plain and simple. On the other hand conditioning is really only good for hay that is a majority of alfalfa. Grass hay does not benifit from conditioning and may even slow it down in some circumstances do to the way the windrows are made.
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LouSWPA
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Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 3:35pm |
wouldn't that then be an "old farmers tale"? sorry, I can't help myself!
I didn't know that a haybine just wrinkled it, not squeezed. thanks for the replies
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AllisFreak MN
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Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 10:07pm |
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If you left the juices in the stem it would never get dry enough to bale. The rollers should be far apart enough to just crack the stems.
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Posted: 19 Aug 2010 at 10:15pm |
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these guys are all correct on the way a conditioner works. the one conditioner i didnt see mentioned is the impeller conditioner that many of the new machines have and instead of breaking the stem they give it a rug burn to let the moisture "weep" out and also retain valuable proteins and feed values.
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