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jaybmiller 
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 5:54am |
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So the 'contractor' sson his driving mama's CRV cause he filled his 'great' dodge up with bad diesel.oopsy. dealer says $1200 MINIMUM without even batting an eye.
Hmm.. shop rate is $120 up here. 1200/120 is 10. WTH, HOW could it take TEN friggin hours to drain the full tank,replace 3-4(?) filters and purge the system?
Anyone had this done defore? I'm thinking I could do it in 3 hrs IF I had a nice warm shop with all the fancy tools and books 'they' have.
Jay
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 6:05am |
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Remember that $120.00 per hr includes a visit to Facebook, a call from his wife and speaking with other customers during the process. It ain’t how fast you can do it but how long you can drag it out. When I worked at Beaver Lake trailer sales the boss was constantly trying to get me to drag out jobs.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 6:21am |
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I've seen both sides in the "Flat Rate" discussion,,and I really think that from the "honest" dealers(is there any such thing?),,the customer is better off.
The Chevy dealer I used to work for,,,they are pretty much bound by the Flat Rate Book from GM. This is to the advantage of the techs AND the customer. The customer KNOWS he is not going to get charged more than the flat rate even if the tech can't get it done within the specified time. Of course,,there those "specialists" that most times have figured out how to do the job in,,,,,,sometimes half the time and still get paid for the full flat rate time. I knew one of the techs there that could do most of his jobs in half the time,,and he made lots of dollars,,and,,,he never had any comebacks,,!! Works both ways tho,,,
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 7:50am |
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You're right Joe. I heard of a mechanic that worked at the Freightliner dealership in Columbia, Mo that could change out a clutch in a road tractor in something like 45 min. I don't know how he could do it, but did all the clutch jobs that came through the door.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 8:02am |
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Leon.. it's called practice ! Do the same job over and over and over and you get REAL good at it ! He might even had a tool drawer or cart setup with ONLY the tools needed for the clutch jobs.
I went to a shop once, asked WHY 5 drill presses (in a row...) ? CHEAPER and FASTER than changing drill bits when you consider labor costs ! Dang that was 30 years ago ,and I rememeber that !
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 11:07am |
Just heard a story about my grandpa. He kept 15-20 electric drills all chucked up with different size bits. Didn't waste time changing bits.
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chaskaduo
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 11:15am |
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Could be wasting time looking for right drill with bit.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 1:00pm |
A bit off track of the original post bu t I will follow the lead. Sounds like a local farmer, that had at least 50 tractors, so he never had to hook and un-hook from implements. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 1:14pm |
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When I worked 'Chargeable Time' or Book rate a clutch replacement, no flywheel dogs, no trans input shaft just a clutch and clutch brake on any cabover was 3.5 hours, a conventional 4.5 and could be done in half that. Brakes on a road tractor, four drive sets and both steer with outboard drums and replaced the drums was 1.2 hours per wheel rears, .8 hours fronts each. Inboard drums and seals replaced/bearings inspected, 2.6 hours a wheel rear. I could the latter out in just over an hour a wheel, the prior in a half hour a wheel.
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Stan IL&TN
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 1:40pm |
How long can it take to drill a hole in the bottom of the tank? 
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 2:22pm |
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Depends on how many Farmers are helping?
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 3:23pm |
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It's not the time it takes to drill the hole, it's the time it takes to plug it back up! LOL
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 3:39pm |
John, just smear some blue Permatex on a piece of duct tape, and stick it over the hole! If it still leaks some, a bottle of Bar's Leaks mixed in the tank should help. 
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 3:59pm |
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It's not the time to drill the hole, it's knowing WHERE to drill lol! Call back to an old joke, sorry!
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 4:19pm |
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Bars Leak that's a good one!
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DMiller
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 4:40pm |
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The charge more than likely includes a tow bill, then the disposal of the fuel(EPA mandates is Hazmat at this point), then there is the R&R fuel tank, clean the tank after draining, flush the lines, change filters and refuel AT a Premium for the fuel of course. If he was that stupid he is due the bill.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 6:00pm |
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It don't take long to stick a corncob in a hole.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 7:44pm |
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more of the 'story'... this 'pride and joy ride' got filled with 'no-name' diesel at a cheap place on #6 Hwy(one of the busiest, 8 big name,well used gas stations within 2 miles). Station run by an 'Arab' ,if that matters... now WHY he filled up is beyond me,as I always by diesel a mile away from Pioneer station...oh well...
BTW..there's actually a drain cock on the tank, so Dodge MUST have figured out 'someone' would get bad fuel one day....
it was at the dealer's thusday night, they inspected it at 8AM, at 9 said $1200+, well he still hasn't got it(they say one cylinder has lower compression...).AT 5PM they said $1600 ! I'm thinking he won't get it until mid next week. good news(?) is insurance is covering the bill,and going after the station,bad news.. rental places will NOT rent PU with trailer hitches!(that I understand..) so I'm to sure HOW the 'contractor' will be moving his 20" enclosed trailer or the 6by12 dump.
I 'think' my ride will be in my garage for 'service' for the next 2 weeks ! If nothing else but to keep the 'white' off it that Shameless has been so kind to deliver....
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 7:47pm |
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I would bet they use a suction pump with a hose thru the filler and pull out 99% of the fuel... Then fill with GOOD fuel and ASSUME the filters will catch any crud that is left over... blowing out the lines, new filter, pumping thru the injector pump, all takes a little time.......... pull injectors ?? or just drain the lines and "HOPE" anything is pushed out later? ........... what is the contamination, WATER or SLUDGE ?
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 8:10pm |
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Sugarmaker, when I was in the fuel business one of my customers had 30+ AC tractors. Most were WD's D17, gas D19's each had a single duty. But he only had 1 -12 volt battery that he moved from tractor to tractor.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2018 at 9:55pm |
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had a gas station dude here buy up all the diesel fuel the govt had in buried tanks from back in the 50's. paid .05 cents a gallon for it. he mounted pumps on his semis and pumped all them big tanks out, took about a year to do it. he them blended that fuel in with new diesel. overall he made about $4 Million on that deal!
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VFDfireman
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Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 2:56pm |
The problem with the new pickup diesels is that they have zero tolerance for water in fuel, and the separators mounted to the tanks are marginal at best....usually only good enough to catch a few drops of condensate and not a big slug.
You see a WIF light on your dash....start talking thousands.
WiF on a Ford 6.7L for sure means injectors and a pump plus cleaning of lines and tank.
On my 2012 it stated right in the manual it was recommended to drain a cup or so from the primary filter under the truck every month. Even the salesman said this. I treat my '16 the same way.
I only buy fuel from truck stops or places that move alot of fuel, plus always run a fuel conditioner that removes water.
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Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 3:28pm |
I wouldn't go so far to say a WIF light means $1000's for certain. One thing for sure is do NOT run any products that take the water on through. Water is water, and modern electronic diesels are very intolerant to debris and other than fuel in them. Whenever I get one in like that if it's just gasoline I run the lift pump to get as much out as I can. Then 10 gal of diesel, change the filters and flush it out at the high pressure pump. They generally start fairly quickly that way. 9 out of 10 times they put enough gasoline in that they don't get far before it won't run and the pump is usually ok. If it's under warranty, the fuel system warranty gets cancelled unless you pay for a pump and injectors. DEF is an automatic everything from the primary filter forward. Call your insurance co because it can be $12K and up. Worst one was on a Duramax ambulance. Total bill was right at $15K. $1600 sounds like a wholesale screw job to drain, flush and new filters if that's all they did.
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