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    Posted: 13 Mar 2017 at 8:11am
There is a D-15 series 2 factory 3ph going up for auction down the road from me.  Original owner died and they are selling his estate.  What would be a fair price for this tractor.  Straight off the farm.  I cannot make the auction so I am sending someone to bid for me but looking at a ceiling price to tell him to walk away.
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Good rubber?? wide front?? if so, $100 per HP.....$4600 bucks
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I have a number of the Series II units and would see no problem paying 3500.00 for a nice clean original that is in decent shape. Have seen some go for 2000-2500.00 and all depends on how many attendees are there that really want it, and location.
Diesel would basically double the price as there does not seem to be many survivors.
Optional spool valves on left fender bracket would also add more as a desirable option.
Clean unit with good sheet metal, no rust on rear rims at the valve stems and decent rear rubber is also a plus.
If your attendee bidder has a smart phone, have him get there early and send you some pics, that way you have time to contact him to clarify anything including how it runs if he can hear it before they get to it.
S/N sent to you would also help so you can research what year it is and condition of 3-pt. components also.
3-pt. parts are pricey and I am sure you already realize the 3-pt. is about as robust as the D12 so not designed for serious constant abuse.
Can you tell the 15II is one of my favorite A-C's?
Good luck and hope you get it as the 160 is one tough engine that makes the SII a very handy tractor.
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I have driven the tractor 20 years ago, no optional spool on left.  Tractor has not done much over the last 20 years but clip grass around the home stead there.  Rubber okay not great.  But really want one, we used to have one when I was young.  Could go higher if I could sell my 185 before then.  Really don't have a need for that large a tractor these days.  May go out this weekend and look at the d-15 just to see what it looks like now verses when we raised that farm.
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Better buy it. They getting difficult to find. Plus it's really close to you. Hauling shouldn't be a factor then.
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Tell him to keep bidding till he buys it, then just pay the bill! You wont regret it. close to home, you want it, sounds to be in decent shape, desirable tractor.
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I'd go check it out a lot can happen in 20 years to a tractor,maybe not as good as you remember etc.Doesn't matter what market value is  it seems in this case because its
something you really want.Buy it and be happy with your purchase.
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And you have the 185 to sell which is a pretty doggone popular tractor.
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Lets put it this way if I sold the 185, I would most likely even be willing to over pay to a point on the D-15 but if the 185 is still in the barn then my top price for the D-15 goes down a bit.  If I don't get the D-15 the 185 stays in the barn.  I have a 175 that can pull anything we have now, just always like the motor and the set up on the 185.
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How long before the auction?   You might contact the seller and asked if they would do a trade for the 185 and auction that off instead.   The 185 should be worth alot more them the d15 in reality.   Of course you should realize that the d15 gas will probably burn more money in fuel then the 185 and do less work. The 160 really needs the high octane fuel or it will backfire and not run right learned that the hard way. It is expensive buying high octane fuel at the rate she burns it.
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Our D15 Series II has never had high octane put in the tank in the 45 years we have owned it. We use regular 87. If you need to run high octane in yours you must have a problem. Saying a D15 will burn more gas than a 185 will burn in diesel is absurd unless you're using it to plow sod 10 hours a day.
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I have a copy of the service bulletin which a member of the forum here sent me. Which stated to run high octane in a 160 gas motor fright from AC. When my freshly rebuilt 160 gas was dieseling and backfiring when I shut it off. It was running the lower octane fuel at the time 100% rebuilt motor timing check out perfect I spent about 2 months double checking everything couldn't find anything wrong with it. So I took the advice I got on here put in high octane fuel and it hasn't backfired or dieseled on shutdown once.
What I said was that you will spend more money on fuel with the 160 gas then the 185 diesel doing the same job. I will stand behind that the diesel is cheaper and doing the same job with a friend's 180 last summer I burned less diesel then the d15 burned gas. Of course the d15 was working hard to brush hog and the 180 wasn't working very hard at all. Same brush hog on both same field.

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The D-15 is in an estate sell, so doubtfull they would trade.  I have 5 AC in the barn now, just really wanted a D-15 since I grew up on one. 
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Just curious what sort of money do you think it will bring.I would think around here a
good running and operating 185 would bring 2X or 3X what any D15 would bring
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One of the most user friendly tractors. I have 3 of them. Price wise $1800 to $6500, the $6500 was a show tractor.
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I was thinking around 2500 to 3500 around here.  My 185 would bring 6000 to 7500 again that is depending on what the tractor looks like. 
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High Octane fuel for series 2 D-15's ?? Never heard of such a thing. Like to see that Service Bulletin. Engine low idle speed has to be 400 RPM or less and you must give it a few seconds of actual idle time before shutting off the key. 87 octane fuel should be good enough. 86 octane not-so-much.
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I run 87 octane in my D15II without an issue and only 67 hours since complete overhaul. Set the timing per the good Dr's instructions; wide open with a timing light.
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Dr. Allis I would be more then happy to share the service bulletin with you once I find it again. I put it away for safe keeping and we'll you know how that goes later you never can remember where that safe place is.
All I can say is last summer I posted my nightmare of getting my d15 with a 160 gas motor going after it was rebuilt and it ended with a problem that I couldn't solve of backfiring and dieseling when shut down even after letting it idle for up to 10 minutes before turning it off. Somone I can't remember who sent me a pm. We called and talked on the phone and he ended up sending me the service bulletin.   But for almost a year now I have used that tractor almost everyday and all I did was switch to high octane fuel and it hasn't given me trouble dieseling since. So I won't argue with success.   As I said once I find the safe place I put my copy of the service bulletin I will be happy to share it.
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Dan73 - You and I did discuss the dieseling issue in the 160 gas as equipped in multiple AC applications i.e. (D15 SII's, H3 Crawlers, Forklifts, 615 Industrial Loaders and Loader Backhoes and Power Units)- and yes there a multiple references in AC service documents that specify 91 octane as a solution to the dieseling in a 160 gas block and importantly timing the engine at high RPM's. 

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One problem I see with this "high octane" fix is this: I'm assuming this bulletin was written in the mid to late 1960's ?? and gasoline octane ratings were NOT under the same numbering system calculations as todays fuels are. 91 octane by todays standards is pretty decent fuel compared to 86 or 87 octane also by todays numbering system. I've been around quite a few D-15 II/G-160 engines and never had anyone needing to use special fuel.
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My D15 has been using regular gas for 47 years-no problems yet. Starts and shuts down perfect every time.
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yes. if one was "down the road " close and I knew the tractor... Id own it. I love the D-15 II. 
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Did a little more research on this gasoline octane rating thing. From a Nov 1971 page of a 170 gas owners manual (8.0 to 1 comp ratio same as a D-15 II) says 91 octane minimum as per "Research Method" testing or 86 octane minimum as per "Motor Method" testing. This fuel was considered to be "regular" gasoline, not a "premium" blend, at that time in history. Todays octane rating numbers are derived from R + M divided by 2, which 91 + 86 divided by 2 equals 88.5 octane rating. My Dad and Uncle bought farm fuel from the same Standard Oil Rep and always used the regular blend gasoline provided....nothing special. We had a D-17 IV and Uncle had a One-Seventy. Over the years, I'm sure there have been fuel quality differences around the country from one region to another. Cranking compression pressure on an 8.0 to 1 ratio engine is 160-170 psi as per Service manual. A D-17 was 7.25 to 1 and had 145 psi.
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High Octane isn't 'better' necessarily anyway all it is that it doesn't ignite as quite as quick or easily as regular. Accomplish the same thing by adding a little 2 cycle oil or Marvel Mystery Oil to regular it seems to me.
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That is the tractor that I regret selling the most. Anything $4500 or less, I would be happy. My most favorite Allis ever. I bought mine with a loader and a rod knocking for $750. Drove it on the trailer. You will never be sorry you bought it.
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We run regular no ethanol gas in dad's D-15 II. No issues. Origional engine.
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