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79fordblake 
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Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 2:30pm |
I posted in classifieds just wondering how hard it will be to find a complete AC hitch like in the pic? I'm wanting to remove my aftermarket hitch that I bought about 5yrs ago.  
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jkoby
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Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 3:34pm |
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Any particular reason you are replacing the aftermarket hitch?
Just because it isn't authentic Allis or another reason?
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79fordblake
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Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 3:46pm |
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Basically yes not authentic and I'm trying to get more snap coupler equipment to restore with the tractor.
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79fordblake
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Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 3:49pm |
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Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 6:28pm |
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I stumbled upon mine by a freak of nature and havent found another one since,---so depending on location, they could be kinda hard to find. I would take an aftermarket over the snap coupler type anytime! thanks; ac fleet
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Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 6:43pm |
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I like your tires and weights. That thing should pull real good.
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79fordblake
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Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 7:15pm |
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Thanks. Been a project for awhile. Complete engine rebuild. Next thing is to rebuild finals and brakes(already have parts). Also looking for a 4 bolt wide front to rebuild. It's a '57 originally narrow front. Grandpa put on the 3 bolt wide front. Looking around for front stack weights as well.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 6:50am |
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Craigslist shows a snap coupler 2 btm plow up in Kentucky somewhere.. cheap!
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79fordblake
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 8:16am |
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I have two 3 bottom plows.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 9:29am |
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dosnt that three point hitch drop off just like you would drop the draw bar ?
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79fordblake
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 11:42am |
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No the beam underneath is bolted to tractor.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 12:53pm |
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No the beam underneath is bolted to tractor. |
It should have been bolted to the drawbar...I had one just like it on a D17. Just remove the pull arms, remove anti-sway, remove drawbar and you are ready for sc equipment.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 1:06pm |
I have this one I would sell for $400. Located near Spokane WA 
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 2:04pm |
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eldon that looks like the non traction booster style on his tractor.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 2:09pm |
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The aftermarket style hitch I have doesn't bolt to drawbar. I don't even have to have drawbar on to use it. I have drawbar off right now because I had a plow on it yesterday.
Edited by 79fordblake - 27 Feb 2017 at 2:10pm
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 3:18pm |
Yep, that hitch is the "newstyle" that we sell. Bolts to differential, not drawbar. The wishbone style has been continued by the manufacturer and the originals (Like Eldon's) are hard to find. For straight 3 point work, the one you have is a LOT better, but I have customers that have SC implements and want the quick style. Best of luck, and Eldon is not out of line on price.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 5:45pm |
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Wow thats more than I thought they were going to be. My wife is ready to kill me already..lol. I better just finish the tractor first.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 5:51pm |
CAL(KS) wrote:
eldon that looks like the non traction booster style on his tractor. |
Oops, I guess I haven't been keeping up on the latest and greatest...
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 5:54pm |
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Wow thats more than I thought they were going to be. My wife is ready to kill me already..lol. I better just finish the tractor first. |
It is hard to find one with the center link, anti sway and where the arms aren't bent up or welded. I have a few of those, too 
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 5:57pm |
JimD wrote:
For straight 3 point work, the one you have is a LOT better, but I have customers that have SC implements and want the quick style.
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I agree the aftermarket are the closest thing to factory 3pt you will get. I didn't know those wishbone style were rare. I always scorned them for being rather crude compared to the heavy-duty aftermarket style. But...for someone with a lot of SC implements and not many 3pt, that hitch does make the most sense, as far as ease of hitching and unhitching. A buddy of mine has a couple of them, and one was on his D17 Series II LPG he sold to a guy in Nebraska.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 7:14pm |
CrestonM wrote:
JimD wrote:
For straight 3 point work, the one you have is a LOT better, but I have customers that have SC implements and want the quick style.
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I agree the aftermarket are the closest thing to factory 3pt you will get. I didn't know those wishbone style were rare. I always scorned them for being rather crude compared to the heavy-duty aftermarket style. But...for someone with a lot of SC implements and not many 3pt, that hitch does make the most sense, as far as ease of hitching and unhitching. A buddy of mine has a couple of them, and one was on his D17 Series II LPG he sold to a guy in Nebraska.
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They aren't real rare, but ones in good shape are. Years ago I sold a lot of copies of the 3pt adapter manuals to guys on this forum. There are a number of different styles, some are made to attach to the implement and stay with it, some stay with the tractor. Then there are a couple of different sizes for the smaller tractors and the larger ones.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 7:29pm |
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Only real use I have for the 3pt hitch is a boom pole. I have a snap coupler plow and blade. I do have a 6ft 3pt Ford disk but I want to get rid of it and get a snap coupler disk or a wheeled disk.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 7:45pm |
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About 15 years ago there was a fella northwest of Hiawatha, KS making those adapters that were based on the AC pattern. Don't know if there might be some of them out there yet. I'm thinking he was selling them in the $250 range back then. Do you have a local welding shop that could fabricate something?
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Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 9:47pm |
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while on the subject wouldnt the three point arms bolted to the draw bar give you the draft control fuction (traction booster) ?
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Posted: 28 Feb 2017 at 8:26am |
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Here you go.
Both items on ebay.
Gary
Snap Coupler to 3 Pt conversion, $1,000 , and I don't think it's even an Allis
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allis-Chalmers-Tractor-3-Point-Hitch-WD-WD45-D17-D19-/361847632225?hash=item543fccb161:g:T6kAAOSw9NdXv1gW
Wide front 4 bolt $650
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALLIS-CHALMERS-AC-WD-WD45Tractor-4-BOLT-WIDE-FRONT-END-/381972904840?hash=item58ef5bfb88:g:TG8AAOSw~gRViX1v
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Posted: 28 Feb 2017 at 10:04am |
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How does someone use the SC 3pt adapter with PTO driven implements such as 3pt rotary or sickle mowers? Would you remove the 3rd link from the adapter and use one mounted off of the rocker shaft?
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Posted: 28 Feb 2017 at 10:18am |
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The AC version as shown was actual presented as a device for adapting 3 point implements to snap coupler, rather than adapting the tractor to 3 point. However there was an available top link bracket that clamped around the center of the rock (lift) shaft and different brackets for the lower arms - either sway chains or a more restrictive stabilizer device. We put one of the AC adapters on our CA back in the 60s (after first adapting the pin hitch to Snap-Coupler).
Steiner Tractor sells (or at least used to) an aftermarket version of the AC adaptor - or at least the wishbone part for the lower lift arms. Their bracket for the top link is just a piece of steel belt into a "C" shape, that tends to slid back and forth along the rock shaft. For my D12, I bought the Steiner Tractor device for the lower lift arm "wishbone" and had the top link bracket and stabilizer device fabricated based on the AC design.
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Posted: 28 Feb 2017 at 11:24am |
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How does someone use the SC 3pt adapter with PTO driven implements such as 3pt rotary or sickle mowers? Would you remove the 3rd link from the adapter and use one mounted off of the rocker shaft? |
Original AC top link bracket for the WD and WD45 
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Posted: 28 Feb 2017 at 11:29am |
Pics from the manual. The ones pictured above are the models that go with the tractor as they have the swivel balls in the arms where they attach to the implement. The adaptors that stay with the implement do not have the swivel ends, just a hole. 
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Posted: 28 Feb 2017 at 9:03pm |
When using PTO driven equipment such as a bush hog, in addition to the rocker shaft mounted top link bracket, the use of the factory anti-sway "stabilizer" shown in the first drawing here would be nice to have. I have two A-C 3-PHs but the one with the top-link to the rocker shaft did not come with this piece. As a matter of fact, I've never seen one "in person". The "sway chains" shown in the second drawing are there for keeping the bars from swinging out and hitting the tires and might work with a set of plows but would never stand up for controlling the sway on a heavy piece of equipment like a bush hog, especially in hilly terrain.
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